The Footie Thread

[Dando]

I would assume because they are only checking VAR to see if there was a handball in the build up to the goal - there was, so they give free kick to Spurs. They are not checking it for a Spurs hand ball so they ignore that.

But surely they shouldn’t overlook the handball by Dier as that was the offence

 

[Dando]

What, cancel Liverpool's goal and give them a free kick instead?

i have no idea as it’s a one big messy mess but the offence was by dier

 

[Orikoru]

But surely they shouldn’t overlook the handball by Dier as that was the offence

No - not the one they were reviewing it for. Why would they review for a Spurs hand ball after a Liverpool goal? They're reviewing for a Liverpool hand ball only, because that would chalk off the goal.

Doesn't matter now anyway. Why wait until 80 minutes to send Bale on? Two goals in ten minutes please Gareth mate. What's the point?

 

[Rlburnside]

If Jose’s such a master tactician how come we only played for the first ten minutes? Liverpool totally dominated the game ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Really good performance- Milner was outstanding in the middle , Thiago also starting to find his feet but the front three on their game which makes a big difference

 

[clubchamp98]

I would assume because they are only checking VAR to see if there was a handball in the build up to the goal - there was, so they give free kick to Spurs. They are not checking it for a Spurs hand ball so they ignore that.

Really.
Even though the handball comes directly from a handball by a Spurs player?

AA brilliant .
But Milner and Winaldum fantastic.
Took our chances and it makes a massive difference to the performance.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Really.
Even though the handball comes directly from a handball by a Spurs player?

I would assume that if the handball by the Spurs player comes first the decision is play on, which then leads on to the hand ball by the Liverpool player. VAR is only looking for a handball by the Liverpool player in the build up to the goal as they aren't allowed to review the handball by the Spurs player as it didn't lead to a Spurs goal.

 

[clubchamp98]

Think logically guys, he can't disallow the Reds goal and then give them a free kick on the half way line instead ?‍

The Dier handball is obviously overlooked in favour of the goal, however the goal is disallowed due to the Firminho handball.

So that’s two wrongs

I would assume that if the handball by the Spurs player comes first the decision is play on, which then leads on to the hand ball by the Liverpool player. VAR is only looking for a handball by the Liverpool player in the build up to the goal as they aren't allowed to review the handball by the Spurs player as it didn't lead to a Spurs goal.

yes I see this but if you play the advantage rule for the Dier handball can you chalk off the advantage because the direct action of Diers handball is to knock it on to Bobby’s arm .?
So no advantage to Liverpool.???
VAR does come up with some very strange situations, but the refs will still say they are correct.
Most fans would say the first offence was by Dier.

 

[Orikoru]

Really.
Even though the handball comes directly from a handball by a Spurs player?

What can they do then? As @Traminator said you can't really give Liverpool a free kick, because in that scenario the advantage rule would be played and they'd take the goal?? The point that you missed though is that they're only 'allowed' (by their own made up rules) to review certain incidents on the VAR. An innocuous hand ball from Dier - no, it doesn't get reviewed. A handball by an attacker in the build-up to a goal - yes it gets reviewed and the goal is chalked off. They will happily ignore something that's right on the screen in front of them if it's not something that they would normally review. They've been doing this all season - like when a penalty is cancelled because it was a dive. But they don't book the player who dived because they don't review yellow card incidents on VAR. It sounds mad but that is how they've been doing it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yes he’s done ok with what he had.
But money talks at the club and am surprised any manager goes there given the clubs record with managers.

Big salary, big pay off when sacked. Everyone knows how Chelsea treat their managers so does it really damage them when sacked? It's almost a no lose situation.

 

[clubchamp98]

What can they do then? As @Traminator said you can't really give Liverpool a free kick, because in that scenario the advantage rule would be played and they'd take the goal?? The point that you missed though is that they're only 'allowed' (by their own made up rules) to review certain incidents on the VAR. An innocuous hand ball from Dier - no, it doesn't get reviewed. A handball by an attacker in the build-up to a goal - yes it gets reviewed and the goal is chalked off. They will happily ignore something that's right on the screen in front of them if it's not something that they would normally review. They've been doing this all season - like when a penalty is cancelled because it was a dive. But they don't book the player who dived because they don't review yellow card incidents on VAR. It sounds mad but that is how they've been doing it.

Any decent ref imo sees the Dier handball .
Once it hits Bobby on the arm he should blow for the foul by Dier . In the full knowledge that if Liverpool score he will have to disallow the goal.
But he relied on VAR as his crutch again.

 

[clubchamp98]

Simple question, do you want Liverpool's goal chalked off and replaced by a free kick on the half way line? Yes or no?

Play on or free kick?

Imo he should blow for the foul on Bobby ..
He should know if we score it’s getting disallowed so where is the advantage in playing on?
Diers handball leads directly to handball by Firmino that’s when he should stop the game
If he didn’t see it he should not be in the PL.

 

[Orikoru]

Any decent ref imo sees the Dier handball .
Once it hits Bobby on the arm he should blow for the foul by Dier . In the full knowledge that if Liverpool score he will have to disallow the goal.
But he relied on VAR as his crutch again.

Of course he sees it, he's not blind! Generally he'd probably just play on as the double handball is inconsequential in general play. Bad luck that it resulted in a goal I guess as it suddenly becomes relevant. But generally he doesn't want to give every little accidental handball as the game would be very stop-start.

 

[clubchamp98]

Of course he sees it, he's not blind! Generally he'd probably just play on as the double handball is inconsequential in general play. Bad luck that it resulted in a goal I guess as it suddenly becomes relevant. But generally he doesn't want to give every little accidental handball as the game would be very stop-start.

ACCIDENTAL is the problem.
That’s not handball unless it leads to a goal.

 

[clubchamp98]

Big salary, big pay off when sacked. Everyone knows how Chelsea treat their managers so does it really damage them when sacked? It's almost a no lose situation.

Yes but he actually did better without all the very expensive buys.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Of course he sees it, he's not blind! Generally he'd probably just play on as the double handball is inconsequential in general play. Bad luck that it resulted in a goal I guess as it suddenly becomes relevant. But generally he doesn't want to give every little accidental handball as the game would be very stop-start.

Your wasting your time! VAR has only been in 2 seasons and some people still ask the same questions every game, VAR is explained to them everytime and then they blame the Officials.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

The best team won.

A massive improvement on the last few weeks performances.

Anybody expecting VAR or Atkinson to wipe our goal out then give us a free kick on the half way line is deluded.

I loved JM’s shithouse tactics, even more so when the 2nd went in ??

 

[Liverbirdie]

Yes he’s done ok with what he had.
But money talks at the club and am surprised any manager goes there given the clubs record with managers.

Why not?

Get a 5 year contract paid off after 6,18 or 24 months, whether successful or not.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Think logically guys, he can't disallow the Reds goal and then give them a free kick on the half way line instead ?‍

The Dier handball is obviously overlooked in favour of the goal, however the goal is disallowed due to the Firminho handball.

Yes, but its criminal when someone hand balls it, has two hands holding Firminho's shirt, yet gets a free kick - thats just plain wrong.

 

[Rlburnside]

The best team won.

A massive improvement on the last few weeks performances.

Anybody expecting VAR or Atkinson to wipe our goal out then give us a free kick on the half way line is deluded.

I loved JM’s shithouse tactics, even more so when the 2nd went in ??

Yea the tactics helped Liverpool massively after you played poorly the last 4/5 games and not scoring for god knows how long we conceded possession and that helped you get plenty of the ball and build confidence.

I couldn’t believe how much freedom you had first half, the best team deservedly won.

After another false dawn it’s back to the same but only worse now as I’ve got to endure more of the same bloody tactics.