The Footie Thread

[PaulMdj]

So catch me up please. Leicester charges are before the process was agreed to deal with them

But forest and Everton's were after?

Yes, there’s a timeline in place to ensure any Clubs breaking the rules are dealt with swiftly.

Everton’s first charge this season was from last season, hence the outcry from the Clubs relegated.

Our 2nd and Forest’s first are from this year and must be dealt with in season.

From the article:
"Leicester City were relegated to the EFL Championship prior to the introduction of the Premier League’s new Standard Directions, which prescribe a timeline within which PSR cases should be heard. Therefore, the proceedings will be conducted in accordance with a timetable to be set by the independent Commission, and its final decision will be published on the Premier League’s website."

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yes, there’s a timeline in place to ensure any Clubs breaking the rules are dealt with swiftly.

Everton’s first charge this season was from last season, hence the outcry from the Clubs relegated.

Our 2nd and Forest’s first are from this year and must be dealt with in season.

"Profit and Sustainability Rules state that Premier League clubs are permitted to lose a maximum of £105m over a three-year period. Everton have been deducted 10 points because their accounts show that they have breached this limit in recent years; specifically, Everton recorded losses of £124.5m over the three-year fiscal period ending in spring 2022. "

I found that when looking, isn't that the same period as Leicester are being charged for? That's why it's confusing because from reading the article posted it's the same dates no?

 

[PaulMdj]

"Profit and Sustainability Rules state that Premier League clubs are permitted to lose a maximum of £105m over a three-year period. Everton have been deducted 10 points because their accounts show that they have breached this limit in recent years; specifically, Everton recorded losses of £124.5m over the three-year fiscal period ending in spring 2022. "

I found that when looking, isn't that the same period as Leicester are being charged for? That's why it's confusing because from reading the article posted it's the same dates no?

See post above, I edited it.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

See post above, I edited it.

Thanks, I suspect everton and Forrest will still instruct lawyers in an attempt to delay deductions.

Forest are bound to appeal there's

At this stage of the season relegation will go down to var.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

How about Leicester aren't allowed to come up, only 2 get relegated . Just a thought

 

[PaulMdj]

Thanks, I suspect everton and Forrest will still instruct lawyers in an attempt to delay deductions.

Forest are bound to appeal there's

At this stage of the season relegation will go down to var.

We can’t, PL teams accepted the new rules

 

[Deleted member 21784]

How about Leicester aren't allowed to come up, only 2 get relegated . Just a thought

Providing Sheffield United are one of the 2 I'm all ok with that.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Thanks, I suspect everton and Forrest will still instruct lawyers in an attempt to delay deductions.

Forest are bound to appeal there's

At this stage of the season relegation will go down to var.

There are time limits on how long for teams to appeal, when the appeals will be heard. Forest's will be done and dusted by mid April at latest I think. Evertons one might go past the end of the season

 

[Pin-seeker]

Providing Sheffield United are one of the 2 I'm all ok with that.

 

[Billysboots]

How about Leicester aren't allowed to come up, only 2 get relegated . Just a thought

The way they’re imploding that might happen regardless of a points deduction!

It seems that this is partly down to timescales. In short, the process cannot be concluded before the end of this season, meaning that no sanctions will be applied covering 2023/24.

So your lot need to buck their ideas up!!

 

[Swango1980]

As said before though, maybe allowing promoted clubs a bit of leeway with spending may help them get established.

And maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see any joy in supporting a team whose main aim is to simply survive and if that’s the case then it proves the game has gone as we may as well let the big 6 go to Europe and create the European Super League, because I very much doubt their fans are worrying about relegation before the season starts!

It’s a sad life hoping you might be the 4th worse team!

You might think it is a sad life supporting such clubs, and yet I see and hear many fans of these clubs passionately supporting them. Am I missing something?

As I said before, 3 teams WILL get relegated. That is unavoidable, so you will always have stressed out fans at that side of the table.

So, give promoted clubs more leeway to help them get established? At whose expense? Which club will get relegated in their place? Or, if they still get relegated, will they have a bigger advantage in the Championship than they would have done, and that will ruin things for fans in that league? Or, will it increase the risk they could go bust, which would be a complete failure of FFP.

 

[fundy]

The way they’re imploding that might happen regardless of a points deduction!

It seems that this is partly down to timescales. In short, the process cannot be concluded before the end of this season, meaning that no sanctions will be applied covering 2023/24.

So your lot need to buck their ideas up!!

Its down to the fact that the premier league have no jurisdiction to deduct Leicester points when theyre not playing in their league surely, thats why the EFL wanted to be the ones to charge them rather than the PL.

 

[fundy]

Thanks, I suspect everton and Forrest will still instruct lawyers in an attempt to delay deductions.

Forest are bound to appeal there's

At this stage of the season relegation will go down to var.

Best year for them to get the deductions, would likely have caused them relegation in other seasons, theyll happily take the deductions this season IF they still stay up, which they really should. Assuming Everton lose a few more points going to be 3 sides on 21ish points, 1 goes down 2 survive. 30 points (3 more wins) could be more than enough

Looking at the fixtures, Everton really should stay up and be out of the other 2!!!

 

[samthom99]

Or maybe they could be left alone and their finances are up to them? If they go bust, they go bust . So far no PL club has gone bankrupt.

This isn't about saving clubs, it's about maintaining the status quo at the top.

Problem with this idea is when they do go bust, they take many more businesses with them.

 

[Pin-seeker]

How did such a simple game get so complicated?

 

[PaulMdj]

You might think it is a sad life supporting such clubs, and yet I see and hear many fans of these clubs passionately supporting them. Am I missing something?

As I said before, 3 teams WILL get relegated. That is unavoidable, so you will always have stressed out fans at that side of the table.

So, give promoted clubs more leeway to help them get established? At whose expense? Which club will get relegated in their place? Or, if they still get relegated, will they have a bigger advantage in the Championship than they would have done, and that will ruin things for fans in that league? Or, will it increase the risk they could go bust, which would be a complete failure of FFP.

Me finding it sad and fans being passionate about other Clubs is totally unrelated, both things can quite happily co-exist.

Stressed fans at that side of the table before the season begins! Again, isn’t that a sad reflection of the gulf between the teams in the PL, almost 3 Leagues in one, personally I’d hope the fans of any team promoted would be excited and full of nervous energy for what awaits.

Using the Notts Forest example is the system currently helping those promoted? If you give Forest their points back, the bottom 3 are those that came up! Doesn’t sound very fair to me!

Any Club relegated will have an advantage going back to the Championship, more often than not we see some of those teams straight back, maybe we should stop the parachute payments?

How will ffp stop Everton going bust if we get relegated and our takeover collapses? Is it our fault for overspending or the PL for docking points?

 

[PaulMdj]

How did such a simple game get so complicated?

Easy, money.

 

[Billysboots]

Its down to the fact that the premier league have no jurisdiction to deduct Leicester points when theyre not playing in their league surely, thats why the EFL wanted to be the ones to charge them rather than the PL.

There have been discussions over several months between the EFL and PL apparently, which may or may not have involved Leicester to some degree, to seek a solution regarding which body has jurisdiction over their alleged offences, and which will be responsible for imposing sanctions. So, yes, the jurisdiction clearly plays some part.

But Rob Dorsett on Sky also suggested the timescales are an issue. There simply isn’t the time for the entire process, including appeals, to be concluded before the end of this season.

The assumption seems to be that Leicester will be promoted and deducted points prior to the start of the 2024/25 season by the PL. It will be interesting to see what happens if they don’t win promotion.

 

[samthom99]

Easy, money.

Greed. From Owners to Players to Agents they have all played a part in where football has ended up.

 

[fundy]

There have been discussions over several months between the EFL and PL apparently, which may or may not have involved Leicester to some degree, to seek a solution regarding which body has jurisdiction over their alleged offences, and which will be responsible for imposing sanctions. So, yes, the jurisdiction clearly plays some part.

But Rob Dorsett on Sky also suggested the timescales are an issue. There simply isn’t the time for the entire process, including appeals, to be concluded before the end of this season.

The assumption seems to be that Leicester will be promoted and deducted points prior to the start of the 2024/25 season by the PL. It will be interesting to see what happens if they don’t win promotion.

but coming out and charging them when they arent a premier league club is clearly the EPL flexing its muscles knowing full well they have a list of excuses to delay it until next year and charge them then. What do they do if the EFL charge them next week and dock them points almost immediately for this season?