They were waiting for the appeal before looking at the second charge. Hopefully this helps us, although part of me thinks they will give us a 4 point penalty for the second one to get us back to 10 points. Paranoid, moi
Orikoru
Tour Winner
Would be funny if this reduction was a pre-cursor to getting fined 4 points for the other charge.Everton's fine has been reduced to 6 points. We are climbing the table, get below us Brentford.
The big question now, what about the other charge? Will this impact it, when will the outcome of that be announced?
Fair play though. Strangely, although I've wanted Everton to go down in the past, I now want them to stay up because I think FFP is rubbish.
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
This is essentially the way I'm viewing it - 6 points worse case scenario.
I will not claim to be an expert on FFP, or what our/your situation is in detail. But I'm led to believe our numbers weren't as "bad" as yours.
I dream of a time where lower-half teams can be allowed to compete on genuinely level terms with the big guns.
fundy
Ryder Cup Winner
They were waiting for the appeal before looking at the second charge. Hopefully this helps us, although part of me thinks they will give us a 4 point penalty for the second one to get us back to 10 points. Paranoid, moi
Nah youll get 6 again to take you to 12 and make sure youre just slightly worse off than you were
Don't be ridiculous, know your place
. We are there to feed the bigger teams, pad out the league. Not to actually compete.
They were waiting for the appeal before looking at the second charge. Hopefully this helps us, although part of me thinks they will give us a 4 point penalty for the second one to get us back to 10 points. Paranoid, moi
I think your manager will get a damn good flogging in the centre circle at Anfield. He’s a bounder and a cad.
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Don't be ridiculous, know your place
Oh yeah, I know it's a pipe dream. Never gonna happen.
Sean would love that. In fact he would laugh and tell you to swing the lash harder
Apparently the next case has to be heard by April 8th. Why? Have it next week, announce the findings the week after. Hold the appeal the week after that. Get it all done and dusted by the end of March.
You can see this carrying on until after the season ends if they don't get on with it.
Oh, is the City one ever going to get looked at?
You can see this carrying on until after the season ends if they don't get on with it.
Oh, is the City one ever going to get looked at?
Don Barzini
Assistant Pro
Fixed it for you.
Swango1980
Well-known member
The whole thing sounds a mess. Everton could get relegated based on nothing to do with football results. Or, maybe not. It all depends on an arbitrary number of points deduction. Plus, you have other teams like Luton that may be annoyed now, that the punishment has been reduced. You could have clubs from previous seasons that feel hard done by, as Everton were guilty of overspending then but it is only now that it has all been processed and gone through the courts.Everton's fine has been reduced to 6 points. We are climbing the table, get below us Brentford
The big question now, what about the other charge? Will this impact it, when will the outcome of that be announced?
Sometimes I wonder whether the better punishment for FFP is to limit future transfer dealings and wage offerings? At least the table is still purely based on football results, and guilty clubs have pain on the horizon. I also wonder if the authorities are able to be actively involved in each transfer window, so they can say "no, you can't make any more signings, you are over budget". This to ensure clubs don't just spend 2 billion in one window, and not worry about having limited to no transfers in future windows.
Obviously the system in place has been derived by people that know a lot more than me. It just seems a bit nuts, inconsistent and arbitrary
GB72
Money List Winner
Totally, agree. If there was any interest in a competitive league from top to bottom, you would have an annual transfer fee and salary cap (not a cap on individual fees or salaries but just a cap on the total). You would then have a level playing field but it would never happen. That would be the only real way to take money out of being a deciding factor in league placing.
When you look back at previous transgressions in the PL, Liverpool and Chelsea being the stand out ones, they received transfer bans. I think they are a more suitable punishment than points deductions. Points deductions are too artificial a punishment, and too dramatic.
I've just read on line that if we had gone into administration then we would have been penalised 9 points. For the original punishment to be 10 seems out of line, as the appeal has proved.
Middlesbrough sued Derby County for compensation. Derby had been found guilty of FFP failings for the season they finished in the play-offs and Middlesbrough finished 7th. Settlement was agreed in the region of £3m but Derby were in administration at the time, awaiting the ground being sold.
Wycombe also sued Derby based on being relegated by 1 point, and also settled for a decent sum.
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10 points was always far too strong
I’m still in the belief that if the breeches were only down to the stadium build the it shouldn’t have broken any sustainable rules as any infrastructure is allowed - I’m still very unclear how they were charged in the first place
Even if it was a breech ten points was silly , it should have been 6 maximum
As for City - there looks like there is a lot to go through and I hope they are making sure there is no back way out.
Weren't clubs like Reading restricted by a transfer embargo for their financial irregularities. Make that the punishment at all levels (and decide how many windows). That may at least persuade some of these clubs to play the players they bought and then loaned out once injuries etc hit and they can't simply by a replacement. Managers will have to learn to manage squads
I don't understand there why they don't do a test case scenario with City, take the worst 5 charges and play them out. If City are found guilty of those then go back to the others. If they are not guilty, drop the others as a waste of time. It looks at the moment as though the PL are being smothered by the number of City charges and this is dragging the case out for ever and a day. Surely it is time to actually test the water with some of these.
Bdill93
Undisputed King of FOMO
Their charge I believe relates to the naming rights of the stadium deal collapsing.
They had agreed an amount with a russian business/ investor to name the stadium something (not sure what) and it would have been called that whilst still being built. War happened and russian money blocked from the UK meaning that the (lets say 10m but I dont know the real amount) 10m in their accounts for that year was removed and created a shortfall in their finances.
Aztecs27
Money List Winner
I think we were breached by circa 12m for a maximum of 8 weeks (end of the financial year to the end of the transfer window when we sold Johnno to Spurs.
I believe Everton's was a lot more for a lot longer, so hopefully stands us in good stead....
but because it's the Premier League and there's no actual criteria to how the deductions work and it's just "we'll make it up as we go along", we'll probably get 10 points deducted for daring to try and compete given the squad of a paltry £15m we had when we got promoted.
We were £19m down on those original charges. I don't know about the more recent ones. That's a half decent full back, unless you are Chelsea then it is a third of a half decent full back
