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I haven't watched Hoijland to judge, but just on McTominay - I've seriously wondered why they've not given him a game up top. They seem to think he's a defensive midfielder still, yet all his best games come from number 10 just off the striker, and he's their top scorer. Just play him false nine??

I mean this gives you a clue:
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Further forward he is the better he plays. Weaknesses of discipline and passing and they play him holding midfield? Stupid. (Granted I believe these stats include Scotland games where they do play him at number 10 now and he's banged goals for them too.)
If Scott McTomminay doesn't score, he offers the team next to nothing. It would be easier to play with 10 men, because at least other team mates would not be tempted to pass to him (when he is not hiding) or rely on him to make a tackle. Granted, he has made some good finishes when he gets the opportunity. Although he does just steamroll into the box at times, and often gets into the space of the No.9. It looks good when he actually scores, but most of the time it is incredibly frustrating to watch as he seems to just get in the way and a move can break down (or removes himself as an easy pass for a team mate to make just outside the box).

I wouldn't play him as a No.9 ahead of Hojlund. Despite 4LEX's strange view, Hojlund generally is excellent at holding up the ball and despite not scoring goals at the moment, is generally universally praised by Man Utd fans and pundits alike. He just needs to get much much better service from those around him, and then we can see if he can start taking the chances. And I wouldn't put McTomminay as a No. 10 ahead of Bruno, McTomminay is one of the worst creative players Utd have. If he played as No. 10, you can forget about becoming more creative as a team. You're right, he is also an awful defensive midfielder. I'm not so sure that this his his role though, but I think Ten Hag is trying to find a way to get the best out of him by arriving into the box and try and take chances. The downside is that if Utd lose the ball, and opponents get ahead of Bruno's position when the full backs are also high up the pitch, the opponents often have a run at 2 centre backs and the defensive midfielder (e.g. Mainoo, Amrabat or Casemiro). Tricky when 3 or 4 of the opposition run forward, and McTomminay is certainly never getting back to help, as he seems to be the slowest footballer I've ever seen.

I suspect people think he is played as a defensive midfielder simply because the broadcasters show him in that position when they show the starting line up. Maybe it is just lazy of them, knowing he obviously isn't No. 9 and is bound to be behind Bruno. But he certainly doesn't play the same role that, for example, Mainoo has been playing.

As an automatic first team starter, I despair as a fan. I'll applaud him if he does score, but most of the time my head is in my hands when I watch him. As a squad player, I could see him playing a role as a player to come on late on when looking for a goal. Or maybe filling in somewhere up top if other players are rested / injured. I'd probably rather have him play as A No. 9 ahead of the likes of Martial or Rashford.
 
Hojlund would probably score the odd goal if Rashford or Bruno F occasionally provided him with a normal pass rather than always having to try an unnecessarily fancy no-look outside of the boot scoop or always aiming their crosses like they're actually trying to score themselves. He'd be better in a team with smaller egos.
 
DCL red card overturned.

Another embarrassment for the VAR officials and onfield referee. I'd imagine to overturn a red card, the FA have to be pretty clear it was not a red card challenge. And yet the VAR officials, between them, thought the onfield referee could have made a clear error in not sending him off. And then the onfield referee either agreed with them, or felt pressured to give the red card once he was asked to go to the monitor.
 
DCL red card overturned.

Another embarrassment for the VAR officials and onfield referee. I'd imagine to overturn a red card, the FA have to be pretty clear it was not a red card challenge. And yet the VAR officials, between them, thought the onfield referee could have made a clear error in not sending him off. And then the onfield referee either agreed with them, or felt pressured to give the red card once he was asked to go to the monitor.
It's the same every time now. The ref is just a puppet - he gets told to look at the screen and he knows he's being told to change his decision, effectively. The system doesn't work.
 
It was a very very soft red card - yellow always seemed the right choice and it’s right that it’s overturned

That’s two red cards that have been overturned on appeal - it shouldn’t happen with VAR
 
Standards have dropped more than I thought if you're genuinely defending him. He's been crap, pure and simple. I know he's young, theres a lot of pressure and he's not in a balanced side but the same can be said for Garnacho, who is played out of position and still looks something special.

He doesn't hold the ball up well, he's been a downgrade on Weghorst if that was even possible. That's how bad he's been.

I remember the days when a Man Utd striker was judged on getting 30 goals. Van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Van Persie etc. I admire you for backing your player but that's part of the problem. Blind faith on players not fit to wear the shirt. Scott McTominay is better than him in every way apart from pace when it comes to being a striker. And he's a midfielder!

Garnacho is a talented lad, no doubt. I would perhaps rave about him as you do if he actually tried to create something occasionally for Hojlund, though. Have a look at his stats, and those of Antony, when it comes to linking up with Hojlund and you may then re-assess your view that the latter has just “been crap”.

It’s also rather meaningless comparing Hojlund with the likes of RVN, Cole, Yorke or any of the players from a bygone era, all of whom were either the finished article or proven goalscorers. Under Ferguson, whilst youth was very much to the fore, his strikers were almost always established players.

Times have changed. ETH seems intent on investing heavily in young players, players for the future, and I for one would rather see that approach and watch a team develop than constantly bringing in strikers towards the end of their careers. So whilst I in no way think Hojlund is yet producing at anywhere near the level he needs to be, neither is he anywhere near as abysmal as you seem to think.

Final point I would make is that, had United not paid way over the odds for the lad, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.
 
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Garnacho is a talented lad, no doubt. I would perhaps rave about him as you do if he actually tried to create something occasionally for Hojlund, though. Have a look at his stats, and those of Antony, when it comes to linking up with Hojlund and you may then re-assess your view that the latter has just “been crap”.

It’s also rather meaningless comparing Hojlund with the likes of RVN, Cole, Yorke or any of the players from a bygone era, all of whom were either the finished article or proven goalscorers. Under Ferguson, whilst youth was very much to the fore, his strikers were almost always established players.

Times have changed. ETH seems intent on investing heavily in young players, players for the future, and I for one would rather see that approach and watch a team develop than constantly bringing in strikers towards the end of their careers. As a consequence, whilst I in no way think Hojlund is yet producing at anywhere near the level he needs to be, neither is he anywhere near as abysmal as you seem to think.

Final point I would make is that, had United not paid way over the odds for the lad, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.
In addition. Those players from yesteryear had the likes of Giggs and Beckham in the wide areas, and Scholes and Keane behind them. If Hojlund had that support around him, I suspect there is a great chance he could be scoring regularly.

Beckham would put in more laser guided crosses in one half of football than Rashford, Anthony, Garnacho and Sancho could deliver between them in one whole season of football
 
Garnacho is a talented lad, no doubt. I would perhaps rave about him as you do if he actually tried to create something occasionally for Hojlund, though. Have a look at his stats, and those of Antony, when it comes to linking up with Hojlund and you may then re-assess your view that the latter has just “been crap”.

It’s also rather meaningless comparing Hojlund with the likes of RVN, Cole, Yorke or any of the players from a bygone era, all of whom were either the finished article or proven goalscorers. Under Ferguson, whilst youth was very much to the fore, his strikers were almost always established players.

Times have changed. ETH seems intent on investing heavily in young players, players for the future, and I for one would rather see that approach and watch a team develop than constantly bringing in strikers towards the end of their careers. So whilst I in no way think Hojlund is yet producing at anywhere near the level he needs to be, neither is he anywhere near as abysmal as you seem to think.

Final point I would make is that, had United not paid way over the odds for the lad, we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.


Unfortunately players do cost over the odds these days and it’s a price tags that players need to find a way to justify

Hojlund does look a talented player and has got involved and works hard but ultimately he was bought to score goals for the team and so far that’s not been happening for him , service maybe not be great but he has also missed a lot of glaring chances

But he will get this season to bed in as player and there will be expectations higher next season


The issue is I don’t think he is a player that’s suited to play 9 with two players cutting inside all game - it’s not look say Firmino who was highly criticised for not scoring enough but used to drop out to create the spaces for the likes of Salah etc - Hojlund wants to play on the edge of the CB and that appears to be his natural game

But he isn’t the issue at the club and I suspect he will have a decent time there but not too prolific

The bigger issue is the wide players

Antony was more and has been up to now an awful buy , prob the biggest flop over the last two seasons and seems to be a ETH signing, the club will end up taking a big hit on him

Garnacho looks very talented but end product - not creating enough for the likes of Hojlund and always looks to try and create a shot which is great when it comes off but a lot of the time is wasting good opportunities- and same with Rashford
 
Unfortunately players do cost over the odds these days and it’s a price tags that players need to find a way to justify

Hojlund does look a talented player and has got involved and works hard but ultimately he was bought to score goals for the team and so far that’s not been happening for him , service maybe not be great but he has also missed a lot of glaring chances

But he will get this season to bed in as player and there will be expectations higher next season


The issue is I don’t think he is a player that’s suited to play 9 with two players cutting inside all game - it’s not look say Firmino who was highly criticised for not scoring enough but used to drop out to create the spaces for the likes of Salah etc - Hojlund wants to play on the edge of the CB and that appears to be his natural game

But he isn’t the issue at the club and I suspect he will have a decent time there but not too prolific

The bigger issue is the wide players

Antony was more and has been up to now an awful buy , prob the biggest flop over the last two seasons and seems to be a ETH signing, the club will end up taking a big hit on him

Garnacho looks very talented but end product - not creating enough for the likes of Hojlund and always looks to try and create a shot which is great when it comes off but a lot of the time is wasting good opportunities- and same with Rashford
In fairness to Garnacho, he was largely used as an impact player behind Rashford up until 2 or 3 months ago. And he often had a very positive impact on the game when coming on.

His role then was on the left, and he'd come on to provide that direct goal threat. Since being more regular in the first team, he then also has done well starting on the right, which started just before Xmas. He did deliver a great cross the other night that Hojlund should have put home.

So, given he has only just recently started playing on right, it would be interesting to see if he gets more chances to do so and if he can deliver more dangerous crosses. He still.looks to be a goal threat on that side as well. As was mentioned on here before Xmas, it would also be interesting to see Anthony play on the left.
 
It was a very very soft red card - yellow always seemed the right choice and it’s right that it’s overturned

That’s two red cards that have been overturned on appeal - it shouldn’t happen with VAR
Well there are people on here that think it was a red card so I assume if they were on the appeals Panel it would have stayed red, luckily (or unluckily for us ;)) they only post here.
 
In addition. Those players from yesteryear had the likes of Giggs and Beckham in the wide areas, and Scholes and Keane behind them. If Hojlund had that support around him, I suspect there is a great chance he could be scoring regularly.

Beckham would put in more laser guided crosses in one half of football than Rashford, Anthony, Garnacho and Sancho could deliver between them in one whole season of football

Talking of Sancho, I’m hearing suggestions he may be involved in some capacity against Spurs.
 
Talking of Sancho, I’m hearing suggestions he may be involved in some capacity against Spurs.
I'd wonder why. There is clearly an attitude problem from him. So I can't see him having any future at the club, unless he has somehow come up with the most heart felt apology and then played like a 24 year old C Ronaldo in training
 
I'd wonder why. There is clearly an attitude problem from him. So I can't see him having any future at the club, unless he has somehow come up with the most heart felt apology and then played like a 24 year old C Ronaldo in training

I would be very surprised. I think his race is run. It’s only a rumour and most likely mischief making.
 
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Cole Palmer walks straight off without acknowledging the away fans st full time. Disgusting attitude.

Nope he is not missed at City.
 
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