The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 1740]

It's funny how all this is happening to your team and you are up in arms about it .
It happened to my team last season but Brighton aren't a "top six side"
So the fuss wasn't loud but oh my god it's Liverpool and the fuss is deafening especially from you it seems.
Yes it's not good that var make mistakes but no matter how much you whinge about it you aren't going to change it .
Var for the moment is here and we have to abide by it's say so wether we agree with it or not .
As for club bias ,,look in the mirror.

We aren't a top six team on last years performances.

I honestly cant remember the decision you're talking about.

The fuss isnt loud but the fuss is deafening??

 

[Orikoru]

Spot on reds tho.

Jota is an idiot. On a yellow you can't make that tackle

The Jones one was wreckless

Goal was only mistake yet you scored from a free kick that wasn't a foul

So evens out already

Yep. The disallowed goal for Luiz was complete ineptitude from the VAR side. But the reds were fine. Debateable at worst, but not glaring errors, I think by the laws of the game they were both justifiable reds. Jones went over the ball which can be deemed reckless and endangering the opponent. Jota had two petulant, late flicks at an opponent within 5 minutes of each other, which is utterly brainless and deserving of two yellows.

 

[Tashyboy]

One good thing to come of this weekend was City losing (sorry Amanda and Tashy)

They're now only a point above Spurs and Arsenal and 2 above Liverpool.

Id really like some form of title race this year

I think this is quite a good post. City have made a few changes since they won the treble. Predominantly midfield. Although they are looking good and creating chances. They are not taking them. KDB is still miles off a return but will he be the same. Clubs have woken up when playing City and both Newcastle and Wolves played City how they should be played. Liverpool and Arsenal may have a different approach. Hardly think it is panic time at City sat top of the league. But I think it makes the title look interesting.
On another note, Pep has broken another record getting 3 yellows and a ban. First manager to do so. Why he has a problem re the referees is beyond me.

 

[Orikoru]

I think this is quite a good post. City have made a few changes since they won the treble. Predominantly midfield. Although they are looking good and creating chances. They are not taking them. KDB is still miles off a return but will he be the same. Clubs have woken up when playing City and both Newcastle and Wolves played City how they should be played. Liverpool and Arsenal may have a different approach. Hardly think it is panic time at City sat top of the league. But I think it makes the title look interesting.
On another note, Pep has broken another record getting 3 yellows and a ban. First manager to do so. Why he has a problem re the referees is beyond me.

Is it simply the case that Rodri is your most important player and the whole system hinges on him? After he was sent off against Forest you failed to add anymore goals. He doesn't play against Newcastle or Wolves and you lose both games. Arsenal away this weekend without him as well...

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Probably because he was given one in the same fixture last season that he should never have had, and we were given an apology for

(But yes, it was a definite pen...although weirdly hardly anyone appealed).

That's not how it works unfortunately. Nice try though

 

[Norrin Radd]

We aren't a top six team on last years performances.

I honestly cant remember the decision you're talking about.

The fuss isnt loud but the fuss is deafening??

You can't remember the Brighton cock up because they aren't a top six side , the game was against palace and var drew the lines in the wrong place saying the player was offside, but when they realised that they were wrong ,like the Liverpool one ,too late to change it .
The outfall was an apology for getting it wrong ,same as Liverpool received.
I don't like var but unfortunately it's here for the now and right or wrong we do have to suck it up .
Will it equal out in the coming games ,who knows. But it's going to be human error that will definitely cock something else up to infuriate fans of the club on the receiving end

 

[Tashyboy]

Is it simply the case that Rodri is your most important player and the whole system hinges on him? After he was sent off against Forest you failed to add anymore goals. He doesn't play against Newcastle or Wolves and you lose both games. Arsenal away this weekend without him as well...

No doubt about it he is important, but chances are being created and not taken.

 

[Orikoru]

No doubt about it he is important, but chances are being created and not taken.

I watched a bit of MOTD for once, and it seemed that Craig Dawson just did a man-marking job on Haaland. If he's capable of that, how has he never had an England shout??

 

[TimShady]

You can't remember the Brighton cock up because they aren't a top six side , the game was against palace and var drew the lines in the wrong place saying the player was offside, but when they realised that they were wrong ,like the Liverpool one ,too late to change it .
The outfall was an apology for getting it wrong ,same as Liverpool received.
I don't like var but unfortunately it's here for the now and right or wrong we do have to suck it up .
Will it equal out in the coming games ,who knows. But it's going to be human error that will definitely cock something else up to infuriate fans of the club on the receiving end

Your inferiority complex is rather pathetic. Brighton are very highly thought of with a fantastic team, exciting manager and a great scouting system. But I guess you need that to be said every time someone mentions them?

Ok fine. All the above but you still just got pumped at the weekend by a second tier side. Weird.

 

[Swango1980]

To clarify, I absolutely understand refs generally have a tough job to do and its hard to get every decision right, especially the tight ones. That doesnt excuse them from getting basic decisions wrong.

Specifically the Spurs game i thought he had a mare generally, robbo's was a 50/50 challenge that could've went either way but neither deserved a card.

Salah's card wasnt even a foul. When i look back on the refs performance, its almost impossible to get so much wrong without any influence.

But, when you say basic decisions, you are talking about moments in a game, in which we are watching from a particular angle and also have the benefit of replays, to determine what is a basic decision, 100% one way or another. That does not mean it is a basic decision from the eye level view of the referee on the pitch. Jota's first yellow card appeared to be the wrong decision, as I don't think there was any contact at all, the opponent fell over his own feet (I don't think Jota knocked his legs to cause this). So, many could argue that is a basic decision the referee got wrong. However, if the referee saw the same images we did, I'm 100% he'd not have given a yellow card either. However, from his view in real time it has obviously looked like Jota wiped him out and he has given the yellow. Referee's will never get to see actions from many views, over and over again (unless it goes to VAR), and so many decisions will always be based on the balance of probability, otherwise they'd rarely be able to make a decision one way or another. Thankfully, most decisions are close to 100% one way or another, but as they need to make so many decisions during one game of football, there will end up being numerous times they may be closer to 50/50 one way or another, and they need to make a decision for one of those outcomes.

But, to scream "corruption" is ridiculous. That accusation suggests referees are knowingly making incorrect calls against Liverpool. Or, if they are 50/50 either way, they are being told to make the decision against Liverpool. I'd want a lot more evidence to start believing they are corrupt.

 

[Bdill93]

Your inferiority complex is rather pathetic. Brighton are very highly thought of with a fantastic team, exciting manager and a great scouting system. But I guess you need that to be said every time someone mentions them?

Ok fine. All the above but you still just got pumped at the weekend by a second tier side. Weird.

Woah woah woah Second Tier!

We've had the second most PL points in 2023 ill have you know!

 

[Jimaroid]

This is worth a read for anyone that cares about football or even sport in general. As always Dale Johnson is pretty bang on with facts and observations.

This is about sporting integrity under threat. All teams and all fans should be up in arms.

The VAR Review: What went wrong for Luis Diaz's offside goal

In this week's VAR Review: What went wrong in the VAR room to disallow Luis Diaz's goal for Liverpool at Tottenham Hotspur.

www.espn.co.uk

edit: I’m not going to paste quotes, I implore everyone to read it, but there are some staggering details to this.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

You can't remember the Brighton cock up because they aren't a top six side , the game was against palace and var drew the lines in the wrong place saying the player was offside, but when they realised that they were wrong ,like the Liverpool one ,too late to change it .
The outfall was an apology for getting it wrong ,same as Liverpool received.
I don't like var but unfortunately it's here for the now and right or wrong we do have to suck it up .
Will it equal out in the coming games ,who knows. But it's going to be human error that will definitely cock something else up to infuriate fans of the club on the receiving end

Now you've reminded me i do remember it..... Irrespective of who the clubs involved are they shouldnt have to "suck it up".

We as paying fans across football deserve better.

There has to come a point where clubs say to PGMOL, no we're not accepting human error. The millions of pounds thats been thrown at VAR should be able to make it idiot proof.

I want VAR sorting for the good of football not just my own team.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

This is worth a read for anyone that cares about football or even sport in general. As always Dale Johnson is pretty bang on with facts and observations.

This is about sporting integrity under threat. All teams and all fans should be up in arms.

The VAR Review: What went wrong for Luis Diaz's offside goal

In this week's VAR Review: What went wrong in the VAR room to disallow Luis Diaz's goal for Liverpool at Tottenham Hotspur.

www.espn.co.uk

edit: I’m not going to paste quotes, I implore everyone to read it, but there are some staggering details to this.

Stop it, its just Liverpool fans and those of big teams bleating and whining.

 

[Orikoru]

This is worth a read for anyone that cares about football or even sport in general. As always Dale Johnson is pretty bang on with facts and observations.

This is about sporting integrity under threat. All teams and all fans should be up in arms.

The VAR Review: What went wrong for Luis Diaz's offside goal

In this week's VAR Review: What went wrong in the VAR room to disallow Luis Diaz's goal for Liverpool at Tottenham Hotspur.

www.espn.co.uk

edit: I’m not going to paste quotes, I implore everyone to read it, but there are some staggering details to this.

This is it for me:
"Seven seconds later, the VAR team realised their error. Panic set in, but they decided they couldn't go against protocol so let play continue. But in this situation, where a very serious mistake has been identified within seconds of the restart, football would rather the VAR went against protocol to achieve the fairest outcome for the game. The match should have been stopped."

They tie their own hands behind their backs with their stupid self-made rules. We can't review this, we can do this, we can't do that. They make a catastrophic blunder, then compound by saying 'oh we can't possibly stop the game'. I think they'd still receive criticism for an exceptional late call, but that is worlds better than getting it wrong and then not fixing it.

 

[TimShady]

Woah woah woah Second Tier!

We've had the second most PL points in 2023 ill have you know!

Haha I was being somewhat facetious, I just don’t understand why fans get so furious if their team isn’t lauded to the heavens!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

This is it for me:
"Seven seconds later, the VAR team realised their error. Panic set in, but they decided they couldn't go against protocol so let play continue. But in this situation, where a very serious mistake has been identified within seconds of the restart, football would rather the VAR went against protocol to achieve the fairest outcome for the game. The match should have been stopped."

They tie their own hands behind their backs with their stupid self-made rules. We can't review this, we can do this, we can't do that. They make a catastrophic blunder, then compound by saying 'oh we can't possibly stop the game'. I think they'd still receive criticism for an exceptional late call, but that is worlds better than getting it wrong and then not fixing it.

Spot on. I never expected it to be 7 seconds.

Blow the whistle, get the managers and captains together and explain the issue. Give the goal and restart. Simple.

Instead they've kicked the can down the road. Gross negligence.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Haha I was being somewhat facetious, I just don’t understand why fans get so furious if their team isn’t lauded to the heavens!

Absolutely this.
I never expect my team or any other come to that to beat all comers, it's ridiculous to even think it .but some fans think that their team has a good given right to beat all and sundry put before them.
I am a Brighton fan first but I am a football fan as well ,by that I mean that I applaud good football from any team ,and if they give my side a going over so be it .well done them.
I don't get defensive about it or cry in my soup. Unlike some who seem to think it's life and death .

 

[Norrin Radd]

Spot on. I never expected it to be 7 seconds.

Blow the whistle, get the managers and captains together and explain the issue. Give the goal and restart. Simple.

Instead they've kicked the can down the road. Gross negligence.

This is what should have been done , but as you say gross negligence ,I would say gross incompetence.

 

[GB72]

What i find odd is the calls on the radio this morning for more people in the VAR booth and, in particular ex players.

The speed to VAR decisions has been complained about before so who knows how long they will take if you have a full committee in there discussing the outcome. Add to that someone with input on what they feel should be right from a players point of view as opposed to applying the laws of the game. is just a recipe for disaster.

No real idea as to how you increase the accuracy for VAR decisions (OK this weekend was just a massive horlicks but I am not sure you can ever totally write off one of those happening occasionally) whilst also keeping up the pace of play. The simple fact is that football is not suited to off field analysis simply due to the pace it is played at. Starting to think you can have a quick decision or a right decision but trying to achieve both is just not working.