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Ok. I thought that being in an offside position beforehand trumped that, unless you move back onside at some point, but my knowledge is rusty.
A player can be offside if the ball is played backwards, you’re right about that. Even when played backwards the recipient still must be in an onside position when the pass is made, ie level with or behind the second last player of the opposition OR in their own half.
 
No .Then it’s just a dive.
The defender does not have to get out of the way ,and if Rashford can’t get past without diving it’s not a foul.
You’re reinforcing that you don’t know the laws of the game.


Here’s a famous incident -

He doesn’t touch him so no foul?

Using an extreme to make the point but it’s the same for any foul. Read the laws.
 
You take it wrong then. The MOTD team’s post match analysis can be summarised thus:

Go immediately to Man Yoo’s three goals and spend a good chunk of time analysing everything they did well.

As an afterthought, then go and look at the two Forest goals. But analyse them from a Man Yoo point of view, not Forest’s. Discuss the stuff Man Yoo did wrong defensively, don’t bother praising Forest in any aspect of it whatsoever.

Don’t mention the fact that Taiwo Awoniyi absolutely skinned Rashford the entire length of the pitch, or that he made Onana look like an absolute clown by faking a shot. Certainly don’t mention that he’s now scored in seven consecutive PL games, even though they’d be creaming their pants if a Big Six striker was on a streak like that. Don’t mention Morgan Gibbs-White’s brilliant assist for the second or the cooly taken header by Boly - just talk about the Man Yoo players that were out of position.

Oh yes, they mentioned that Forest might lodge a complaint, but just dismissed any notion that the decisions could be wrong. For the Rashford dive, it’s guaranteed that if exactly the same incident occurred in the other box and a penalty was given to Forest, they’d have analysed it closely and concluded it was too soft to be given. But no, Rashford is “clever”. For the red card they agreed it was correct because they “weren’t sure” if Boly would get across in time, despite him being two steps away from getting in the way and already heading in that direction.

No, I agree there is no axe to grind by Murphy or Williams, but it’s the same from MOTD every week when it comes to Forest and anyone outside the Big Six. Everyone is just so used to it, they don’t notice it happening any more.

So yeah, I’ll agree to disagree with you.

I’m a little bemused.

United had nearly 70% of the possession. Twice as many shots, and twice as many on target as Forest. Over three times the number of corners. Oh, and won a game in which they had been 2-0 down before probably 20% of the crowd had even taken their seat. It’s hardly surprising, surely, that the post match summary was presented from a United perspective. In fact I struggle to recall a single instalment of any highlights programme where a post match summary has ever been presented primarily from the perspective of the side which has lost a game.

Forest’s goals? Well done Awoniyi for being really quick, but that goal was a result of United holding a defensive line almost on the edge of the Forest area and making a complete hash of it. So it’s only to be expected that a summary will say as much. And the second was a free header which, if I recall, seemed to surprise Boly to such an extent that the ball actually appeared to come off his face. Shocking defending again, not a contender for goal of the season, so I’m surprised you’re so surprised that it was discussed not from the perspective of the simple free kick and header, but from the angle of the awful defending which led directly to it.

The penalty? It wasn’t at the United end, so anything you say regarding how it would have been discussed had it been a Forest player going down is pure speculation. You claim to know how such a discussion would have gone. The fact is you really don’t.

I think, if I was a neutral, I would expect any post match summary of a game like that to focus not on the team which blew a two goal lead, but on the one which dragged themselves back into it. Broadcasters have finite time in which to fit their highlights, post match interviews and analysis. So it’s only to be expected that the focus is primarily on the side which won a game.

With the greatest respect, with regard to yesterday it’s only the Forest fans who seem to think otherwise.
 
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You’re reinforcing that you don’t know the laws of the game.


Here’s a famous incident -

He doesn’t touch him so no foul?

Using an extreme to make the point but it’s the same for any foul. Read the laws.
Throwing a punch is different than standing your ground in the penalty area.
The lads got both feet on the ground Rashford chooses to go down( cheating ) over his thigh.


As for Scholes He was sent off for the intent ,but that begs the question “ was the ref correct or not?”
 
Throwing a punch is different than standing your ground in the penalty area.
The lads got both feet on the ground Rashford chooses to go down( cheating ) over his thigh.


As for Scholes He was sent off for the intent ,but that begs the question “ was the ref correct or not?”
Please, go read the laws of the game and see that they recognise contact and non-contact in the same way when it impedes an opponent unfairly. In this case Rashford was touched but this wasn’t even necessary for a potential foul to be given. It’s these sorts of issues that see football supporters apoplectic when it is their own lack of knowledge of the game that is the issue.
 
I’m a little bemused.

United had nearly 70% of the possession. Twice as many shots, and twice as many on target as Forest. Over three times the number of corners. Oh, and won a game in which they had been 2-0 down before probably 20% of the crowd had even taken their seat. It’s hardly surprising, surely, that the post match summary was presented from a United perspective. In fact I struggle to recall a single instalment of any highlights programme where a post match summary has ever been presented primarily from the perspective of the side which has lost a game.

Forest’s goals? Well done Awoniyi for being really quick, but that goal was a result of United holding a defensive line almost on the edge of the Forest area and making a complete hash of it. So it’s only to be expected that a summary will say as much. And the second was a free header which, if I recall, seemed to surprise Boly to such an extent that the ball actually appeared to come off his face. Shocking defending again, not a contender for goal of the season, so I’m surprised you’re so surprised that it was discussed not from the perspective of the simple free kick and header, but from the angle of the awful defending which led directly to it.

The penalty? It wasn’t at the United end, so anything you say regarding how it would have been discussed had it been a Forest player going down is pure speculation. You claim to know how such a discussion would have gone. The fact is you really don’t.

I think, even if I was a neutral, I would expect any post match summary of a game like that to focus not on the team which blew a two goal lead, but on the one which dragged themselves back into it. Broadcasters have finite time in which to fit their highlights, post match interviews and analysis. So it’s only to be expected that the focus is primarily on the side which won a game.

With the greatest respect, with regard to yesterday it’s only the Forest fans who seem to think otherwise.
Why has TH got Rashford and Antony defending At a corner.?
Should have at least one defender back.
Neither could tackle a wet paper bag.
 
Please, go read the laws of the game and see that they recognise contact and non-contact in the same way when it impedes an opponent unfairly. In this case Rashford was touched but this wasn’t even necessary for a potential foul to be given. It’s these sorts of issues that see football supporters apoplectic when it is their own lack of knowledge of the game that is the issue.
Sorry but in Rashford case that’s a dive.
 
Why has TH got Rashford and Antony defending At a corner.?
Should have at least one defender back.
Neither could tackle a wet paper bag.

He didn’t have them defending. Wan Bissaka was the last man, man a complete mess of a headed challenge, leaving Rashford and Antony to try and play catch up.
 
Your guarantee is worthless though. You’re starting nonsense as fact and using that to “prove” there’s a problem.
You mean like when Boly was shoved in the back and no one batted an eyelid? Colour me shocked.


I would never have given this as a penalty, and there was more contact than Danilo on Rashford. Neither are penalties because if you gave them for every single bit of contact there would be 10 penalties a game.

That’s what everyone (except United fans) have issue with.

There was another incident in a similar area yesterday (Arsenal vs Fulham? Or Maybe West Ham vs Brighton) where the attacking player was body checked into next week and nothing given.
 
You mean like when Boly was shoved in the back and no one batted an eyelid? Colour me shocked.


I would never have given this as a penalty, and there was more contact than Danilo on Rashford. Neither are penalties because if you gave them for every single bit of contact there would be 10 penalties a game.

That’s what everyone (except United fans) have issue with.

There was another incident in a similar area yesterday (Arsenal vs Fulham? Or Maybe West Ham vs Brighton) where the attacking player was body checked into next week and nothing given.
It seems like your problem is that referees don’t give warranted fouls to some players rather than them giving correct decisions to Manchester United.

The ability of football fans to not see their own biases is hilarious to me. It’s like there’s some sort of punishment if you don’t favour your own side getting decisions.
 
Just watched the Rashford penalty/dive. Contact appeared to more than a gentle brush, knee to thigh. I don’t think it was a dive. Going past the defender and nudged, more than a nudge really, off balance. I do think it was a penalty. And the Forest player didn’t make a song and dance about the decision being wrong.
 
You mean like when Boly was shoved in the back and no one batted an eyelid? Colour me shocked.


I would never have given this as a penalty, and there was more contact than Danilo on Rashford. Neither are penalties because if you gave them for every single bit of contact there would be 10 penalties a game.

That’s what everyone (except United fans) have issue with.

There was another incident in a similar area yesterday (Arsenal vs Fulham? Or Maybe West Ham vs Brighton) where the attacking player was body checked into next week and nothing given.
That’s a shocker to miss 😳

I do love a good Sunday morning punch up on the forum.😁👍 On a positive City are playing this afternoon so me and Amanda will have the footie forum to ourselves. Unless we lose then everyone will suddenly find their iPads. 😳😂😂😂👍
 
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It seems like your problem is that referees don’t give warranted fouls to some players rather than them giving correct decisions to Manchester United.

The ability of football fans to not see their own biases is hilarious to me. It’s like there’s some sort of punishment if you don’t favour your own side getting decisions.
It seems to me that his problem is he wants consistency, I don’t think that’s a lot to ask for.
 
It’s way too much to ask for, Tash. It’s why we have these debates every weekend.
Couldn’t agree more. It makes healthy debate for some of us 👍
Got to be honest Billy I still haven’t seen the Rashford penalty. Still Won’t change anything though. Have a good weekend me man
 
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