The Footie Thread

[RichA]

Just been on MOTD.

Ashley Williams perfectly happy there was contact. Neither Lineker nor Danny Murphy disagreed. Enough for a penalty although they suggested it was soft. I’ve already said as much.

All a bit of a non-story, really. Wonder if Martin Keown has changed his mind yet.

Yep. There was contact but he dived. To be fair, the dives by Fernandez to get a fellow professional sent off and the free kick for Utd goal 2 were worse.
And how was Casemiro not offside for his goal? Ahead of the last defender when Rashford put the ball in the box, still ahead of the last defender when Fernandez headed it to him. Has the rule changed again?

This is why I generally avoid the football thread.

 

[clubchamp98]

But how does the referee or anyone else know what a player “chooses” to do?

There’s contact, a player goes down under that contact. The referee gives it, there’s no way VAR is ever going to call it a clear and obvious error.

Even the Forest players didn’t really protest.

Rashford is an elite footballer with incredible balance .
He runs at the defender ( who dosnt have to get out of the way) if he can’t get around without contact it’s not a pen imo.

Yes there is contact but that’s down to Rashford as well as the defender .
Its a contact sport by the way.
But like the Liverpool one last week.
Thats not enough to bring an elite footballer down.
Thats just how I see it as an ex defender.

 

[clubchamp98]

Yep. There was contact but he dived. To be fair, the dives by Fernandez to get a fellow professional sent off and the free kick for Utd goal 2 were worse.
And how was Casemiro not offside for his goal? Ahead of the last defender when Rashford put the ball in the box, still ahead of the last defender when Fernandez headed it to him. Has the rule changed again?

This is why I generally avoid the football thread.

Your not offside if the balls played backwards.

 

[clubchamp98]

What a touch and finish by Bowen .
quality.

 

[Aztecs27]

Just been on MOTD.

Ashley Williams perfectly happy there was contact. Neither Lineker nor Danny Murphy disagreed. Enough for a penalty although they suggested it was soft. I’ve already said as much.

All a bit of a non-story, really. Wonder if Martin Keown has changed his mind yet.

Lineker the Leicester fan who never has a good word to say about Forest

If that’s the other end, I guarantee Forest (or any other team outside the top 6) wouldn’t have been given it and that’s the issue. Which is the problem - no consistency.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695552685041217724

 

[RichA]

Your not offside if the balls played backwards.

Ok. I thought that being in an offside position beforehand trumped that, unless you move back onside at some point, but my knowledge is rusty.

 

[Tashyboy]

Am sure I mentioned a few pages back there may be a discussion about the Rashford in incident. There is.
PS Ave not seen it so I don’t know.

Re FFP, it’s Groundhog Day and we have done that for the last number of seasons and nowt will change folks opinions.

 

[Don Barzini]

Just been on MOTD.

Ashley Williams perfectly happy there was contact. Neither Lineker nor Danny Murphy disagreed. Enough for a penalty although they suggested it was soft. I’ve already said as much.

All a bit of a non-story, really. Wonder if Martin Keown has changed his mind yet.

MOTD and their pundits not giving Forest the time of day?! Hold the front page! Knock me down with a feather!

Never a red card for Worrall. And world’s softest penalty. 6.0 all round by the judges for Rashford’s dive!

I’ve looked at it from several angles and the only footage on which it did actually look like a foul was some grainy mobile phone video posted by a Man Yoo fan on Twitter.

Big Six bias once again and it’s 12-Man United 3, Nottingham Forest 2.

 

[Swango1980]

Rashford is an elite footballer with incredible balance .
He runs at the defender ( who dosnt have to get out of the way) if he can’t get around without contact it’s not a pen imo.

Yes there is contact but that’s down to Rashford as well as the defender .
Its a contact sport by the way.
But like the Liverpool one last week.
Thats not enough to bring an elite footballer down.
Thats just how I see it as an ex defender.

He had incredible balance, but he has yet to defy the laws of physics. He was leaning towards goal, and that is the side the contact came. One your body weight passes your COG, you are down like a sack of spuds. All it can take is the lightest touch in the world, I have experienced before, and once with very painful outcomes.

Known is just a Grade A prat. In one sense, it pains me that he probably earns more than any of us for his contributions. On the other, he must be a dream for Simon Jordan, who enjoys ripping him to pieces on Talksport.

However, I think Forest were unlucky with red card, as there could have been cover. But, difficult to tell if the tackle would have come in before a first time shot. Mind you, the defender put himself at huge risk of a red card by pulling him down just outside the box, so he isn't exactly blameless. But, in this era of respecting referees, it is inevitable that many on the Forest side will look to put all the blame on the referee

 

[Billysboots]

MOTD and their pundits not giving Forest the time of day?! Hold the front page! Knock me down with a feather!

I take it you didn’t watch MOTD, then? Because they had quite a discussion regarding the fact that Forest are considering lodging a complaint about the match officials, and then examined the incidents giving rise to any such complaint - the red card and penalty.

Both Danny Murphy and Ashley Williams, neither of whom have an axe to grind when it comes to Forest to my knowledge, said there is no way that penalty would get overturned on a review. Both agreed it was soft, as I now have several times, but nevertheless a penalty.

So I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Swango1980]

 

[Deleted member 21784]

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I can't believe Di canios goal against Wimbledon didn't make it tbh. The best goal in premier League history.

 

[TimShady]

For me that’s not a pen on Rashford.
Yes there is minimal contact.
but anytime a player chooses to go down it’s not a pen.
Contact should bring him down not give him a choice.

Your last sentence is nonsense IMO. Players absolutely do learn how to hit the deck in a way that minimises a chance of injury. They will not try to stay upright with their feet planted because that’s when ACLs snap, ankles get mangled (see Orikoru for evidence) and other terrible injuries.

Also, why do people go on about there being contact?! There does not have to be contact to be a foul.

Watch the game more closely and you’ll constantly see players evading contact with each other to avoid injury. It’s only a big deal when a penalty is involved.

 

[Don Barzini]

I take it you didn’t watch MOTD, then? Because they had quite a discussion regarding the fact that Forest are considering lodging a complaint about the match officials, and then examined the incidents giving rise to any such complaint - the red card and penalty.

Both Danny Murphy and Ashley Williams, neither of whom have an axe to grind when it comes to Forest to my knowledge, said there is no way that penalty would get overturned on a review. Both agreed it was soft, as I now have several times, but nevertheless a penalty.

So I think we’ll have to agree to disagree.

You take it wrong then. The MOTD team’s post match analysis can be summarised thus:

Go immediately to Man Yoo’s three goals and spend a good chunk of time analysing everything they did well.

As an afterthought, then go and look at the two Forest goals. But analyse them from a Man Yoo point of view, not Forest’s. Discuss the stuff Man Yoo did wrong defensively, don’t bother praising Forest in any aspect of it whatsoever.

Don’t mention the fact that Taiwo Awoniyi absolutely skinned Rashford the entire length of the pitch, or that he made Onana look like an absolute clown by faking a shot. Certainly don’t mention that he’s now scored in seven consecutive PL games, even though they’d be creaming their pants if a Big Six striker was on a streak like that. Don’t mention Morgan Gibbs-White’s brilliant assist for the second or the cooly taken header by Boly - just talk about the Man Yoo players that were out of position.

Oh yes, they mentioned that Forest might lodge a complaint, but just dismissed any notion that the decisions could be wrong. For the Rashford dive, it’s guaranteed that if exactly the same incident occurred in the other box and a penalty was given to Forest, they’d have analysed it closely and concluded it was too soft to be given. But no, Rashford is “clever”. For the red card they agreed it was correct because they “weren’t sure” if Boly would get across in time, despite him being two steps away from getting in the way and already heading in that direction.

No, I agree there is no axe to grind by Murphy or Williams, but it’s the same from MOTD every week when it comes to Forest and anyone outside the Big Six. Everyone is just so used to it, they don’t notice it happening any more.

So yeah, I’ll agree to disagree with you.

 

[TimShady]

Lineker the Leicester fan who never has a good word to say about Forest

If that’s the other end, I guarantee Forest (or any other team outside the top 6) wouldn’t have been given it and that’s the issue. Which is the problem - no consistency.

Your guarantee is worthless though. You’re starting nonsense as fact and using that to “prove” there’s a problem.

 

[clubchamp98]

Ok. I thought that being in an offside position beforehand trumped that, unless you move back onside at some point, but my knowledge is rusty.

The way they have messed with the rules your not the only one.
Some decisions leave me scratching my head.
Even managers say they don’t understand them.

 

[clubchamp98]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695552685041217724

Isn’t all this just a bit late ?

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Watched the Everton v Wolves game on motd. Not the horror show I expected. We are creating plenty of chances, some of them very good chances, but we are not putting them away, obviously. I'd be more worried if we weren't creating anything, couldn't string a pass together.

5 days to buy a striker. 5 days that decide whether we have a chance to stay up or not.

 

[clubchamp98]

Your last sentence is nonsense IMO. Players absolutely do learn how to hit the deck in a way that minimises a chance of injury. They will not try to stay upright with their feet planted because that’s when ACLs snap, ankles get mangled (see Orikoru for evidence) and other terrible injuries.

Also, why do people go on about there being contact?! There does not have to be contact to be a foul.

Watch the game more closely and you’ll constantly see players evading contact with each other to avoid injury. It’s only a big deal when a penalty is involved.

So if there is no contact that’s still a pen. No chance.