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Orikoru said:
Far be it for me to defend Phil but he was clearly doing a list of players he'd witnessed play to some degree. Like if I was doing a top ten list for Spurs I probably wouldn't put Greaves in it. Of course he must have been top class by how many goals he scored - but I've never seen him kick a ball, so if I included him it wouldn't be my top ten list. It would just be a list of top ten Spurs players by common consensus.
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I know I'm getting close to pedantry here but a list of the best players you have ever seen is different to a list of the best players your club has had.

If you are making a list of top spurs players and don't include Greaves then make sure there are no other spurs fans nearby 🤯🤣
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I know I'm getting close to pedantry here but a list of the best players you have ever seen is different to a list of the best players your club has had.

If you are making a list of top spurs players and don't include Greaves then make sure there are no other spurs fans nearby 🤯🤣
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No other Spurs fans under 65 years old anyway. :rolleyes:
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I know I'm getting close to pedantry here but a list of the best players you have ever seen is different to a list of the best players your club has had.

If you are making a list of top spurs players and don't include Greaves then make sure there are no other spurs fans nearby 🤯🤣
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To be fair, if you are making a list of top Spurs players and only include Premier League era players, it is going to be a short list. You need to stick Greaves on it simply to make it look a bit more respectable. :)
 
Swango1980 said:
I'll have a go to counter this, if you don't mind.

Was the decision in this specific incident wrong? Absolutely, Dean has admitted that. However, what factors played a part? All too often, it is all on the referee, and they become the punchbag for managers, players, pundits and fans.

We all know that most managers try to act in such a way that will influence the ref, even if it influences them in future decisions for their own benefit. Some act in such a way that clearly crosses a line. If I read about this incident correctly, the on field referee missed the penalty incident, and the bench were outraged. So much so, that the on-field referee felt they crossed the line and started to discipline them. It was this that influenced Dean not to intervene. So, for once the bench actually influenced the officials to their disadvantage rather than advantage. Had they questioned the decision, but much more calmly, it sounds like Dean would have intervened, as the on field official was getting no grief.

So, in a way, even though the decision was wrong, I actually think "served them blooming right, maybe the bench will act more professionally next time and allow the officials to get on with their job"

Is refereeing in this country a shambles? Many times I watch European or international games, there are equally poor decisions. I don't watch much league football outside England, but in the limited games I've watched, I've seen some diabolical decisions. But then again, it will always happen as so many decisions in a game are never 100% one way or another. It may be 100% black and white to most people in their mind, problem is 80% of people may be 100% one way, 10% may be 100% the other way and 10% may be unsure.

VAR hasn't helped their reputation, as there is an expectation they will now get 100% of decisions correct. But then again, so many of those can still be considered subjective, and then the VAR refs have pressure at times to not get involved if there is any subjectivity at all. When that is controversial one week, they then have pressure to get involved the following week, even if it is ultimately very subjective. Then we have the laws of the game being updated constantly to try and make things easier for VAR officials, but it ends up becoming a big mess, where basically common sense no longer applies. We've seen it with handball, where the governing body try and write the law to make handball as black and white as possible, until it is put into practice and we suddenly see incidents that make a mockery of the written law. So I agree with you to an extent on VAR, it has had serious problems since it started, still does. Although, it would be interesting if it was suddenly taken away, what fans would think as soon as their team suffer from a bad on-field decision?
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He seen the incident thought but decided not to say anything.
Thats not a mistake ,It’s not doing your job.

mistakes I accept ,but this was deliberate !
 
Hobbit said:
In Boro’s play-off match, several years ago, he was head and shoulders above every single ref we’d had all season, home and away. Since then I’ve tended to watch a number of his performances. To be honest, I think he’s a decent ref.

Just floating a thought, if even the best players can make a number of mistakes, why can’t a ref?
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He deliberately never told the ref that’s not a mistake.
 
clubchamp98 said:
He seen the incident thought but decided not to say anything.
Thats not a mistake ,It’s not doing your job.

mistakes I accept ,but this was deliberate !
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My train of thought is when listening to Roy Keane. When a player is praised “ for putting a shift in”.Roy Keane states “ that’s his Job”. When it comes to Mr Dean, “that’s his job”.And as you say he failed to do it. how is that acceptable? A team could get relegated but it’s ok coz he protected his mate from grief. Not for me it ain’.
 
Tashyboy said:
My train of thought is when listening to Roy Keane. When a player is praised “ for putting a shift in”.Roy Keane states “ that’s his Job”. When it comes to Mr Dean, “that’s his job”.And as you say he failed to do it. how is that acceptable? A team could get relegated but it’s ok coz he protected his mate from grief. Not for me it ain’.
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Don't think anyone had said, or thinks it is acceptable. It isn't. Plenty of footballers have moments where they don't do their job. They aren't suddenly awful footballers, they just had a bad moment.

I think it I'd far better refs can explain their decisions, and if they've made howlers then be man enough to explain what went on in their head. At least lessons can be learned about the sort of pressures officials face, and how that can negatively impact decisions.

I think things like that will be improved if they continue to act strongly to bad and petulant behaviour. If players and managers become better behaved as a result, it may give officials a bit of breathing space to do their primary job
 
Swango1980 said:
Don't think anyone had said, or thinks it is acceptable. It isn't. Plenty of footballers have moments where they don't do their job. They aren't suddenly awful footballers, they just had a bad moment.

I think it I'd far better refs can explain their decisions, and if they've made howlers then be man enough to explain what went on in their head. At least lessons can be learned about the sort of pressures officials face, and how that can negatively impact decisions.

I think things like that will be improved if they continue to act strongly to bad and petulant behaviour. If players and managers become better behaved as a result, it may give officials a bit of breathing space to do their primary job
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I wonder how long it will be before refs start being “Miced up” on a regular basis.Got to be a step in the right direction.
 
Tashyboy said:
I wonder how long it will be before refs start being “Miced up” on a regular basis.Got to be a step in the right direction.
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Apparently it is fifa who are blocking this. Don't know why it can't be down to each league. I think Howard Webb is open to refs being micced up. I think it would be a huge step forward.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Apparently it is fifa who are blocking this. Don't know why it can't be down to each league. I think Howard Webb is open to refs being micced up. I think it would be a huge step forward.
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If the PL decided it wanted it's referees to be micced up, and just did it, what can FIFA do? Ban England from the next World Cup. Dish out fines?
 
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