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GB72 said:
Thing is that is £7mil over 2 years which is a fortune to most but not much to a football club the size of united. Surely there was a deal to be done where they paid off some or all of that to clear the wage bill, bring in some money and allow for further signings. I suspect that him staying may prevent a further signing this summer.
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Yeah think they usually meet somewhere in the middle.
 
Swango1980 said:
I do get that.

Players sign contracts not just because they want to have lots of games of football. It is their profession. They sign them to get paid as well as they can, and can guarantee a secure income for as many years as possible. Otherwise they'd just happily play for about £40,000 - £50,000 a week, live a comfortable life and play football. If they get dropped, just move to another club that has no issue with paying those types of numbers.

Harry Maguire is 30 now. Even if he went to West Ham, still no guarantee he'll keep getting picked for England if another young CB bursts onto the scene, although it does probably increase his odds.

And, maybe he does have ambition. It is unlikely he'll get a transfer to another of the biggest clubs in the world, so staying at Man Utd may be is only opportunity at playing for a top club, who can potentially compete for the top prizes. He may be hoping that, if Utd sort out their attacking play, and most importantly their possession play, then things will suddenly get a whole lot easier for the defence. And, if he can edge his way back into the team, whether it be because of injuries or just better play by him, then maybe he thinks he can push for a starting position again?

In that respect, I don't blame Maguire. If anyone is to blame, it is Man Utd for giving him that contract in the first place I suppose.

It'll be interesting to see what position Chelsea are in in a few years, with all these long contracts. What if some of these players end up being useless, how easy will it be to offload them??? At least to clubs outside of Saudi Arabia. I see Lukaku is on £325,000 a week, and his contract is until 2026. Would this be why he is still at Chelsea, and they haven't managed to offload him?
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Utd, like Real Madrid, could pay up part or all of his contract and move him on. Maguire could agree to a move and get a decent signing on bonus, probably his last decent transfer. There’s potentially more money in moving than there is in staying. Or maybe he genuinely believes he has a place at Utd. Who knows, but I admire the belief, if that’s what it is.

But like Bale I would have thought the real buzz is being out on the pitch. Not sure he’ll get that at Utd.
 
Swango1980 said:
I believe he also got a pay rise due to Champions League Qualification. I think £190,000 is just the base salary, and then there are probably various bonus on top of that?
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I don’t doubt, though, that all these contracts are full of clauses. I’d be stunned if he was receiving full whack for sitting on his backside.
 
Billysboots said:
I don’t doubt, though, that all these contracts are full of clauses. I’d be stunned if he was receiving full whack for sitting on his backside.
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Appearance money, clean sheet money, interim points payments through the season. Sponsorship appearance money. There’s loads he’s missing out on.
 
Billysboots said:
I don’t doubt, though, that all these contracts are full of clauses. I’d be stunned if he was receiving full whack for sitting on his backside.
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I'm not so sure. I don't think a players agent would be happy to have "negative" aspects in the clauses that protect the club? They'll have a base salary, which I'm sure the club will try and make as low as possible, and then there will be all sorts of add ons for player and team successes. If the contract said "you only get 75% salary if you don't play x% of games, I think the player and his agent might just say "bog off then, we'll go and sign for Chelsea or someone else"?

I notice that Maguire's salary has been £190,000 per week since he signed his contract several years back, which is why I suspect money will be added on for that for bonuses. Probably not many bonuses in last few years, but Champions League qualification could be a decent add on.
 
Hobbit said:
Utd, like Real Madrid, could pay up part or all of his contract and move him on. Maguire could agree to a move and get a decent signing on bonus, probably his last decent transfer. There’s potentially more money in moving than there is in staying. Or maybe he genuinely believes he has a place at Utd. Who knows, but I admire the belief, if that’s what it is.

But like Bale I would have thought the real buzz is being out on the pitch. Not sure he’ll get that at Utd.
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Yes, Utd could pay off his contract, or the shortfall. I think they might have offered to do so, although I guess reports will ever only be rumours.

I'm sure nearly every player would rather play football than not. But, if it is ultimately at the expense of millions of pounds, I can personally see how that enthusiasm would diminish. It is sad, as it can rob the fans of seeing a special talent. We may have been robbed of seeing Bale play more football, although he did seem to have his injury issues as well. If players didn't get paid so much, then it would be less of a problem, but it is the beast of the industry we've helped create.

I think he'd do well at West Ham. That being said, he'll always have a target on his back now by fans. Every little mistake will be ridiculed, even at West Ham. So, he may not think there is much redemption to be had, even going to a mid table, good PL club. So, he might just think he'll stay until 2026 when his contract runs out, and hope that his chance comes. And, if it doesn't, just try and keep fit and take his chances that a half decent club will sign him after for a year or two.
 
Equally, re Maguire, his agent may have said 'sit tight, Utd will cave in January'. Utd wont want a Winston Bogarde so by Christmas they may be prepared to pay off any imbalance and he can move then. The idea that he doesn't play until 2026 is obviously a potential but I do think unlikely. There is an element of bluff at play here.
 
He’s back. Of course he’s in their squad, it’s already on their website. We’re never gonna drop a 100m potential player. Imo prior to all this a bigger talent that Saka.
Not saying I agree with a second chance, but if he was a normal bloke and not charged he‘d be working again.

the argument of him or any football/movie star etc being lucky to have the job in the first place that others would envy is irrelevant.
 
DPapas1982 said:
He’s back. Of course he’s in their squad, it’s already on their website. We’re never gonna drop a 100m potential player. Imo prior to all this a bigger talent that Saka.
Not saying I agree with a second chance, but if he was a normal bloke and not charged he‘d be working again.

the argument of him or any football/movie star etc being lucky to have the job in the first place that others would envy is irrelevant.
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Must have had the green light from the sponsors.
Can see it getting messy.
 
Swango1980 said:
What green light. The link you posted made it very clear that no decision has yet been made?
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They’ve already decided he’s coming back,just thinking of the best way to spin it.
UTD couldn’t give a toss about what he’s done (other clubs would be the same).
 
Pin-seeker said:
They’ve already decided he’s coming back,just thinking of the best way to spin it.
UTD couldn’t give a toss about what he’s done (other clubs would be the same).
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They probably need to keep the public updated on progress somehow, as they'll just keep getting asked questions.

It is true, though, that they'll be interested in the reaction to any statements around Greenwood. I'm sure Man Utd, and every other club, give a massive toss about what their players do. Up to now, it has been a massive headache for Man Utd, and they've lost out on a player with huge potential. And, going forward, if they decide to keep him then they will be aware of the negative public reaction and the impact it will have on sponsors.

However, like every other club, I'm sure they will investigate it and move forward as professionally as they can. There are probably tens of thousands of employed people in the UK who have done, or alleged to have done, very nasty things in the past. This may be with the knowledge of their employers, but also with the understanding that they have improved as a human being and regret the way they behaved in the past. Perhaps a lot of these people got a second chance, and turns out deserved it as they've been model citizens since then?

I, like everyone here, have no idea what Greenwood is like as a person, so the easy assumption to make is that he is evil and should never be seen in public again. But, perhaps it isn't the case? The club will be in a better position to understand what is going on with him personally. Of course, they will also be very concerned with the impact it will have on sponsors, so I'm sure they've had a lot of meetings with them behind the scenes. I'm uncomfortable with him coming back into the team, as a fan, simply because of the atmosphere and scrutiny it is bound to get. Of course, if he goes on to become a successful footballer and a model citizen who is open about the "alleged" errors of his ways and help others that suffer from abuse, it may end up being a decent decision. If he goes on to become another sulky footballer who still seems to attract negative personal headlines, then it would be a terrible decision.
 
Swango1980 said:
They probably need to keep the public updated on progress somehow, as they'll just keep getting asked questions.

It is true, though, that they'll be interested in the reaction to any statements around Greenwood. I'm sure Man Utd, and every other club, give a massive toss about what their players do. Up to now, it has been a massive headache for Man Utd, and they've lost out on a player with huge potential. And, going forward, if they decide to keep him then they will be aware of the negative public reaction and the impact it will have on sponsors.

However, like every other club, I'm sure they will investigate it and move forward as professionally as they can. There are probably tens of thousands of employed people in the UK who have done, or alleged to have done, very nasty things in the past. This may be with the knowledge of their employers, but also with the understanding that they have improved as a human being and regret the way they behaved in the past. Perhaps a lot of these people got a second chance, and turns out deserved it as they've been model citizens since then?

I, like everyone here, have no idea what Greenwood is like as a person, so the easy assumption to make is that he is evil and should never be seen in public again. But, perhaps it isn't the case? The club will be in a better position to understand what is going on with him personally. Of course, they will also be very concerned with the impact it will have on sponsors, so I'm sure they've had a lot of meetings with them behind the scenes. I'm uncomfortable with him coming back into the team, as a fan, simply because of the atmosphere and scrutiny it is bound to get. Of course, if he goes on to become a successful footballer and a model citizen who is open about the "alleged" errors of his ways and help others that suffer from abuse, it may end up being a decent decision. If he goes on to become another sulky footballer who still seems to attract negative personal headlines, then it would be a terrible decision.
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I’ll read all that when I get a spare 30mins 👍🏻😂
 
Be interesting to see if the clampdown on singing offensive songs extends to cover the Greenwood situation. I'm sure opposition fans already have a long list of chants ready for if he returns.
 
There are reports that Liverpool are interested in signing Harry Maguire.
A Chelsea spokesman said we're not falling for that one.

That said have a good night everyone. Coz it’s sweaty here
 

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