The Footie Thread

[Orikoru]

Theres at least 2 on the forum! Both great people!

My Uncle is a City fan. Great bloke.

 

[Skytot]

No

Wow really ? Shocked that you think the club were able to spend all that money without breaking FFP

So 100 charges are false ?


All those documents leaked were false ?

Financial Fair Play, Manchester City and PSG: Pact with the Sheikhs

Five years ago, UEFA introduced Financial Fair Play, a set of rules designed to level the economic playing field in European football. But during his tenure as UEFA general secretary, Gianni Infantino went out of his way to ensure that Manchester City and Paris Saint-Germain avoided harsh...

www.spiegel.de

https://twitter.com/x/status/1058446856718565377

Man City scandal is not about fair play – it’s about fraud

The Premier League’s bombshell case against Manchester City goes beyond rules of Financial Fair Play and is really about allegations of dishonesty

www.independent.co.uk

Nick Harris
I am not a financial expert and I don’t think you are , so I will trust my clubs owners . All will be revealed, in the meantime let’s soak it in . Is 5 prems in 6 years now .

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I seldom watch English football as it is generally quite boring.
Caught the first half of the Arsenal Brighton game and saw probably the best 45 mins of football that I have ever seen.
Had to go out and missed the second half.

 

[IanM]

You are Nicola Sturgeon and I claim my five pounds!

 

[Billysboots]

Problem is - who does?

Other than Haaland there are no outstanding talents that can slot right in straight away atm. They're all a work in progress.

Nunez cost 85m and his output whilst good, hasn't been anything like Haaland. Don't think he'd score more at United than he has at Liverpool.

There's no one proven and young available.

I’ve mentioned him a couple of times - Victor Osimhen.

Every signing is a risk. Even Haaland was going to be a bit of a gamble, as any player new to English football in general and the Premier League in particular will be. It’s not suited to everyone and the fact that Haaland has slotted right in makes him a genuine standout.

Osimhen’s stats are very impressive, not just in Serie A but also the Champion’s League. He’s strong, athletic and a great finisher who has been banging in goals for fun.

Sure, Kane is a proven Premier League player, and I agree with much of what others are saying. I’m not sure why there is a need to sign someone who can drop deep and create chances for others when we already have Fernandes and Eriksen pulling the strings, as has been suggested. We need someone who can finish the chances off that we seem to create for fun. It’s a selfish goal scorer we need, not an all round scorer/creator, which is what Kane is.

There is something about Osimhen which makes me think he fits that bill perfectly. I’d love to see him in a United shirt.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’ve mentioned him a couple of times - Victor Osimhen.

Every signing is a risk. Even Haaland was going to be a bit of a gamble, as any player new to English football in general and the Premier League in particular will be. It’s not suited to everyone and the fact that Haaland has slotted right in makes him a genuine standout.

Osimhen’s stats are very impressive, not just in Serie A but also the Champion’s League. He’s strong, athletic and a great finisher who has been banging in goals for fun.

Sure, Kane is a proven Premier League player, and I agree with much of what others are saying. I’m not sure why there is a need to sign someone who can drop deep and create chances for others when we already have Fernandes and Eriksen pulling the strings, as has been suggested. We need someone who can finish the chances off that we seem to create for fun. It’s a selfish goal scorer we need, not an all round scorer/creator, which is what Kane is.

There is something about Osimhen which makes me think he fits that bill perfectly. I’d love to see him in a United shirt.

I’m not sure if Osimhen will be looking to leave and Napoli never have any issues having to sell players.

CL stats aren’t that impressive - 5 goals this season with 3 against Frankfurt

If he was looking to go then he will be hot property and right now can see clubs like PSG , Madrid and even Munich ahead in the queue

The other player out there is David ( the guy Lille brought in to replace Osimhen) he will be about half the cost and appears to be just as lethal

 

[Swango1980]

I’ve mentioned him a couple of times - Victor Osimhen.

Every signing is a risk. Even Haaland was going to be a bit of a gamble, as any player new to English football in general and the Premier League in particular will be. It’s not suited to everyone and the fact that Haaland has slotted right in makes him a genuine standout.

Osimhen’s stats are very impressive, not just in Serie A but also the Champion’s League. He’s strong, athletic and a great finisher who has been banging in goals for fun.

Sure, Kane is a proven Premier League player, and I agree with much of what others are saying. I’m not sure why there is a need to sign someone who can drop deep and create chances for others when we already have Fernandes and Eriksen pulling the strings, as has been suggested. We need someone who can finish the chances off that we seem to create for fun. It’s a selfish goal scorer we need, not an all round scorer/creator, which is what Kane is.

There is something about Osimhen which makes me think he fits that bill perfectly. I’d love to see him in a United shirt.

I'm always a little wary when people mention Champions League stats these days. I know it is a big competition, but if you play for one of the higher ranked teams, you are in groups with the Champions from Moldova and runners up from Romania (OK, maybe not those countries, but there is often one dodgy side in the group, if not 2). To be fair, I've no idea who Osimhen has scored against, maybe he has scored against the other top teams on a regular basis? And, given his reputation, I'd still be excited to see him at Man Utd. However, I'd have a lot more initial faith in Harry Kane, mainly because I know much more about him, and his ability to play in the PL.

 

[Golfmmad]

I see this the opposite way, players who never relied on pace tend to stay at the top for longer. Like Sheringham as one example.

Sheringham had a great footballing brain so didn't need to have pace. I think Kane has too, played in the right position. Where he drops in behind the striker and threads those killer passes through the defence.

 

[Billysboots]

Sheringham had a great footballing brain so didn't need to have pace. I think Kane has too, played in the right position. Where he drops in behind the striker and threads those killer passes through the defence.

Totally agree, but that, for me, is the primary issue United have. They need someone on the end of those chances, not someone creating them.

People laugh when I say to them that Martial is a better finisher than Rashford. But the fact remains, despite his goals this season, Rashford remains way too wasteful in front of goal. He probably misses more one on ones than he tucks away. It is widely accepted he is not, despite the goals, a striker. Martial is a really good finisher but he is injury prone, and his attitude is rumoured to be dreadful. The suggestion is that he was one of the players identified by Rangnick to be moved on, such was the impact of his attitude on those around him.

United need a number nine. Not someone capable of dropping to the edge of his own eighteen yard box and threading the eye of a needle as Kane does.

Don’t get me wrong. Harry Kane is a class act in everything he does. And if United sign him I’m not going to lose sleep over it. But if it’s a straight choice between him and a striker who does the majority of his best work in and around the opposition penalty area I’d take the latter.

 

[Golfmmad]

Totally agree, but that, for me, is the primary issue United have. They need someone on the end of those chances, not someone creating them.

People laugh when I say to them that Martial is a better finisher than Rashford. But the fact remains, despite his goals this season, Rashford remains way too wasteful in front of goal. He probably misses more one on ones than he tucks away. It is widely accepted he is not, despite the goals, a striker. Martial is a really good finisher but he is injury prone, and his attitude is rumoured to be dreadful. The suggestion is that he was one of the players identified by Rangnick to be moved on, such was the impact of his attitude on those around him.

United need a number nine. Not someone capable of dropping to the edge of his own eighteen yard box and threading the eye of a needle as Kane does.

Don’t get me wrong. Harry Kane is a class act in everything he does. And if United sign him I’m not going to lose sleep over it. But if it’s a straight choice between him and a striker who does the majority of his best work in and around the opposition penalty area I’d take the latter.

Agreed but Kane is that good he can do both (as long as he stays fit), how many goals has he scored this season, plus how many assists? That coupled with his injury earlier in the season makes his efforts more impressive.

 

[Swango1980]

Totally agree, but that, for me, is the primary issue United have. They need someone on the end of those chances, not someone creating them.

People laugh when I say to them that Martial is a better finisher than Rashford. But the fact remains, despite his goals this season, Rashford remains way too wasteful in front of goal. He probably misses more one on ones than he tucks away. It is widely accepted he is not, despite the goals, a striker. Martial is a really good finisher but he is injury prone, and his attitude is rumoured to be dreadful. The suggestion is that he was one of the players identified by Rangnick to be moved on, such was the impact of his attitude on those around him.

United need a number nine. Not someone capable of dropping to the edge of his own eighteen yard box and threading the eye of a needle as Kane does.

Don’t get me wrong. Harry Kane is a class act in everything he does. And if United sign him I’m not going to lose sleep over it. But if it’s a straight choice between him and a striker who does the majority of his best work in and around the opposition penalty area I’d take the latter.

Kane has scored over 200 league goals, so there is a chance he will be able to find the net if Utd wanted him to

 

[Billysboots]

Agreed but Kane is that good he can do both (as long as he stays fit), how many goals has he scored this season, plus how many assists? That coupled with his injury earlier in the season makes his efforts more impressive.

I don’t disagree. But my point is we need the £100m man on the end of those chances. If that man is dropping deep and pulling the same strings Fernandes and Eriksen already pull, then we’re going to be in exactly the same position we’re currently in - creating chances by the dozen only to see them wasted. Kane being able to drop deep, which he does an awful lot, does not solve that problem.

If anything it will only highlight it further as he will simply add to the chances created statistic.

 

[Billysboots]

Kane has scored over 200 league goals, so there is a chance he will be able to find the net if Utd wanted him to

I’m not saying he wouldn’t.

I’ve more than made my point. I’m not asking or expecting others to agree with it.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Nothing to do with “poor us”

Every club has rules they have to follow - why should a team be able to ignore them ? Even more so when it’s at the detriment of the league - unless you want to see City win the league every year

And you couldn’t be more wrong about a Saudi Prince taking over Liverpool - certainly don’t want the club to be state owned or be part of any sportswashing exercise

Nothing is better than a club that self funds itself within the rules to win

And yet lots of Liverpool fans are fed up with their owners taking money out of the club.

 

[Dando]

Sheringham had a great footballing brain so didn't need to have pace. I think Kane has too, played in the right position. Where he drops in behind the striker and threads those killer passes through the defence.

Kane is world class at backing into defenders then falling over to win free kicks

 

[Golfmmad]

I don’t disagree. But my point is we need the £100m man on the end of those chances. If that man is dropping deep and pulling the same strings Fernandes and Eriksen already pull, then we’re going to be in exactly the same position we’re currently in - creating chances by the dozen only to see them wasted. Kane being able to drop deep, which he does an awful lot, does not solve that problem.

If anything it will only highlight it further as he will simply add to the chances created statistic.

I take your point and it will be interesting if united do buy him
To see who they replace Martial with.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don’t disagree. But my point is we need the £100m man on the end of those chances. If that man is dropping deep and pulling the same strings Fernandes and Eriksen already pull, then we’re going to be in exactly the same position we’re currently in - creating chances by the dozen only to see them wasted. Kane being able to drop deep, which he does an awful lot, does not solve that problem.

If anything it will only highlight it further as he will simply add to the chances created statistic.

Kane wouldn’t need to drop deep if he has players like Eriksen pulling the strings - he has to drop deep in the Spurs team because no one else has the ability to get on the ball and create

If Fernandes can create chances then Kane will finish them better than 99% of players in Europe

Kane is one of the best no 9’s in Europe and proven


In other news - tonight’s VAR audio will be broadcast, that should be interesting

 

[Hobbit]

Kane wouldn’t need to drop deep if he has players like Eriksen pulling the strings - he has to drop deep in the Spurs team because no one else has the ability to get on the ball and create

If Fernandes can create chances then Kane will finish them better than 99% of players in Europe

Kane is one of the best no 9’s in Europe and proven

And has already passed Rooney’s Prem goal scoring record playing in 173 games less.

 

[Billysboots]

Kane wouldn’t need to drop deep if he has players like Eriksen pulling the strings - he has to drop deep in the Spurs team because no one else has the ability to get on the ball and create

If Fernandes can create chances then Kane will finish them better than 99% of players in Europe

Kane is one of the best no 9’s in Europe and proven


In other news - tonight’s VAR audio will be broadcast, that should be interesting

I’m well aware of all that, Phil.

But does Kane drop deep because those around him do not have the ability to get on the ball and create? Or does he do it because that’s just the sort of player he is and it’s simply in his DNA? Don’t forget he does exactly the same in an England shirt despite the national side having the likes of Bellingham and Foden pulling the creative strings.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I’m well aware of all that, Phil.

But does Kane drop deep because those around him do not have the ability to get on the ball and create? Or does he do it because that’s just the sort of player he is and it’s simply in his DNA? Don’t forget he does exactly the same in an England shirt despite the national side having the likes of Bellingham and Foden pulling the creative strings.

It’s all part of being a modern number 9 , one that can finish as well as get involved in the build up play , the likes of Osimhen are no different - they aren’t just hanging around the goal area waiting for chances - not many of them are anymore. It’s a positive about his play