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Why would I condemn it? The other chap hit him in the face - condemn that maybe?

The red card was correct and people have said it was poor. No one is defending his actions - unlike you defending Kanes actions

It’s cheating

The reason to It's nothing to do with Kane, every Premier League player goes down when they're hit in the face. Maybe it's time people like just accepted that. It's not 1985 anymore I'm afraid. If you don't like it, modern football isn't for you.

Why should people accept cheating ? And it’s everything to do with Kane and all the players that throw themselves to the floor when it’s not required.

It’s not “modern football” - that’s just a cop out.

This was a million miles away from being the worst example as well, it's just blown out of proportion as usual because it's Kane. He actually was struck in the face, it's not up there with the likes of Bruno who go down under no real contact.

Kane was yellow-carded, by the way. More likely for the scuffle that led to him being hit in the face though.

No one said it’s the worst but he is one of the worst offenders for it.
 

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Maybe it’s time for the players own fans to actually condemn the actions of their players

Kane made a meal of it as he does a lot - it’s not the first time and it won’t be the last time.

Instead of just brushing it off condemn it

The red card was the right result and it would have happened without the Oscar performance - Kane should have been shown the yellow as well

I agree, Phil.

Aside from anything else it’s hugely embarrassing for these grown men to play act like toddlers, simply to get an opponent carded. You raise your hand and make contact with an opponent’s face, it’s a red card and three match ban. No amount of histrionic rolling around is going to make that outcome worse. And with VAR there is no need to react like Kane did to attract the referee’s attention - if the ref missed it, the VAR deals with it as a clear and obvious error relating to a red card incident. In short, it’s absolutely unnecessary.

I hate to see it. If Bruno Fernandes played for any club other than United I’d despise him. As it is I tolerate him, but I don’t like him. His antics are an embarrassment to him.

Alas, it’s yet another element of modern football that is such a part of the fabric of the game, I’m not sure it’ll ever stop. The only real risk to the game is that people stop watching, but that will never happen in big enough numbers to make a jot of difference.
 

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In the same game, Michael Keane nearly had his leg broken, didn't roll about, didn't mouth off, stood up, brushed himself down, got on with it. Amateur dramatics are not compulsory.

I noticed that. Shocking tackle. Can you imagine Fernandes being on the receiving end of that? I shudder to think how he would have reacted.
 

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The red card was correct and people have said it was poor. No one is defending his actions - unlike you defending Kanes actions

It’s cheating



Why should people accept cheating ? And it’s everything to do with Kane and all the players that throw themselves to the floor when it’s not required.

It’s not “modern football” - that’s just a cop out.



No one said it’s the worst but he is one of the worst offenders for it.
You say defending it, I just say I'm disregarding it. It is commonplace, I don't see how people can maintain this level of outrage. It's up there with hats on in the clubhouse for me. A complete non-issue.

It's not cheating in this scenario, because a hit to the face actually took place. It's just a slightly exaggerated reaction. I only consider it cheating if players go down when no contact has taken place. Obviously our views differ on this - like they have the last ten times we had this exact discussion.
 

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Maybe it’s time for the players own fans to actually condemn the actions of their players

Kane made a meal of it as he does a lot - it’s not the first time and it won’t be the last time.

Instead of just brushing it off condemn it

The red card was the right result and it would have happened without the Oscar performance - Kane should have been shown the yellow as well
Must have missed you condemning Gakpo at the week end 🙄
 

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I noticed that. Shocking tackle. Can you imagine Fernandes being on the receiving end of that? I shudder to think how he would have reacted.
The almost comedic moment was Pickford racing towards the incident about to go into motor mouth overdrive but before he arrived the ref showed the red card, Moura had his hands up in apology. He was busting to explode but ended up stood like a lemon with nothing to complain about.

The ref had a good game last night. Dealt with the incidents calmly, got them right first time without VAR joining in.
 

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The almost comedic moment was Pickford racing towards the incident about to go into motor mouth overdrive but before he arrived the ref showed the red card, Moura had his hands up in apology. He was busting to explode but ended up stood like a lemon with nothing to complain about.

The ref had a good game last night. Dealt with the incidents calmly, got them right first time without VAR joining in.

Not sure I totally agree, think he reffed the big decisions late on well but some of the fractious nature was his doing by letting too much go in the first half. Not to book Tarkowski for going through the back of Kane just invited players to jump into tackles, sadly they are clearly under instructions to let as much as possible go early in games currently which is seeing far too many get away with kicking the other sides better players for just a quiet word

For all I hate Kanes antics for the red card you can partly understand it when a horrid tackle like that with no intention to play the ball goes unpunished earlier in the game

Be far easier if refs ignored what time of the match it is and judged every incident on its merits
 

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The almost comedic moment was Pickford racing towards the incident about to go into motor mouth overdrive but before he arrived the ref showed the red card, Moura had his hands up in apology. He was busting to explode but ended up stood like a lemon with nothing to complain about.

The ref had a good game last night. Dealt with the incidents calmly, got them right first time without VAR joining in.
I felt bad for Moura, he's clearly not that sort of player, was just trying to impress in his limited minutes. He's always been a hard worker. Just a bit late with the tackle and the worst possible result. Definite red of course, just a bit unlucky. Was similar with the penalty actually. Very little Keane could have done to be fair, was just unlucky.
 

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I felt bad for Moura, he's clearly not that sort of player, was just trying to impress in his limited minutes. He's always been a hard worker. Just a bit late with the tackle and the worst possible result. Definite red of course, just a bit unlucky. Was similar with the penalty actually. Very little Keane could have done to be fair, was just unlucky.
They were football incidents. Sometimes stuff happens and both were those types of things. Ref dealt with both, no one moaned at either incident, just move on. Good to see.
 

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Not sure I totally agree, think he reffed the big decisions late on well but some of the fractious nature was his doing by letting too much go in the first half. Not to book Tarkowski for going through the back of Kane just invited players to jump into tackles, sadly they are clearly under instructions to let as much as possible go early in games currently which is seeing far too many get away with kicking the other sides better players for just a quiet word

For all I hate Kanes antics for the red card you can partly understand it when a horrid tackle like that with no intention to play the ball goes unpunished earlier in the game

Be far easier if refs ignored what time of the match it is and judged every incident on its merits
As you say though, refs are under instructions to let tackles go more than they used to. That means more rough and tumble than we have seen in previous years but I don't think that is a bad thing. You can't single out the ref if he is only following what he is told, the other refs are doing the same.

Tarkowski is an old school CH, doing a great job for us both in defence and also in attacking set pieces, but he is a frequently on the edge of a yellow card. He is certainly benefitting from the more 'relaxed' approach :LOL:
 

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As you say though, refs are under instructions to let tackles go more than they used to. That means more rough and tumble than we have seen in previous years but I don't think that is a bad thing. You can't single out the ref if he is only following what he is told, the other refs are doing the same.

Tarkowski is an old school CH, doing a great job for us both in defence and also in attacking set pieces, but he is a frequently on the edge of a yellow card. He is certainly benefitting from the more 'relaxed' approach :LOL:


The lines moved along way if his "tackle" on Kane was on the edge of a yellow card lol.

Much prefer to see the ref set the standard and book a player for that when they can injure someone, it seems lately the first yellow card has to be for a shirt pull or kicking the ball away etc
 

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The lines moved along way if his "tackle" on Kane was on the edge of a yellow card lol.

Much prefer to see the ref set the standard and book a player for that when they can injure someone, it seems lately the first yellow card has to be for a shirt pull or kicking the ball away etc
That was definitely over the line. He got away with it, but shouldn't have.......
 

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If that’s a genuine eye gouge, and not just the way the camera has caught it, I can understand why Kane went down the Way he did. I had a few playing rugby and it scares the hell out of you, really scares you. First off, I thought Kane was making a meal of it but looking at the photo… I’m not so sure.


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If that’s a genuine eye gouge, and not just the way the camera has caught it, I can understand why Kane went down the Way he did. I had a few playing rugby and it scares the hell out of you, really scares you. First off, I thought Kane was making a meal of it but looking at the photo… I’m not so sure.
You need to see the incident in real time. It was a push in the face, not a gouge. The contact was fleeting. Absolutely a red, no question, but a still doesn't really tell the story.
 

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You need to see the incident in real time. It was a push in the face, not a gouge. The contact was fleeting. Absolutely a red, no question, but a still doesn't really tell the story.
Fleeting? :LOL: Agree not a gouge but he's certainly shoved him in the face, and judging from the photo poked him in the eye in the process (not as bad as a gouge). Overall verdict is that it probably did hurt, just wasn't enough force to knock you off your feet. He's obviously done that to highlight it to the referee, which as I've said, almost all players do instinctively now. The 'real world' reaction if you like, would be to hold your hands to your face for a minute or two - maybe drop to one knee briefly. :D
 

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You need to see the incident in real time. It was a push in the face, not a gouge. The contact was fleeting. Absolutely a red, no question, but a still doesn't really tell the story.

I saw it in real time, and impact was away from the camera. The forefinger is in the corner of the eye, and the creases in the skin suggest it was more than a gentle swat.

I have ‘no skin in the game’ fore or against either player but I feel it’s more than the slap I originally thought it was.
 
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