The Footie Thread

[Liverbirdie]

Totally agree, in its current use it’s not fit for purpose, should be all or nothing for me, but how many interuptions would there be if it reviewed every decision?

Easy solution, 2 or 3 decisions can be changed per team FOR ANYTHING. Limits the amount of how many times VAR can be used over the course of a game. The Dynamic is wrong, and refs and VAR refs have patently proved that they dont use it consistently, so only use VAR when you call upon it, and decided by the teams themselves.

 

[Liverbirdie]

I'm all for the linos keeping their flags down for the really tight ones, but the obvious ones need flagging for.

There's way too many not so close ones being allowed to play on.

Pre VAR I thought the offside calls were fairly consistent.

I dunno, was it Arsenal at United the other year when the lino flagged offside and he was 2 yards onside, but as the ref hadnt blown, the goal stood. A perfect use of VAR.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Mo is under the ball, he has two hands shove him in the back forward a yard and its not a foul? That was even a foul 20 years ago. Wow.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Easy solution, 2 or 3 decisions can be changed per team FOR ANYTHING. Limits the amount of how many times VAR can be used over the course of a game. The Dynamic is wrong, and refs and VAR refs have patently proved that they dont use it consistently, so only use VAR when you call upon it, and decided by the teams themselves.

We’ve discussed that one before Pete, I agree, something along the lines of 3 challenges per Team, Captains choice only.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I dunno, was it Arsenal at United the other year when the lino flagged offside and he was 2 yards onside, but as the ref hadnt blown, the goal stood. A perfect use of VAR.

Thats the tight ones I'm saying they should leave. Its the other ones that are well off, Last season Aubamayeng was 3yards offside ref kept flag down and matip put it out for a corner. I can remember fuming in my seat this was allowed to happen.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

We’ve discussed that one before Pete, I agree, something along the lines of 3 challenges per Team, Captains choice only.

Not for me, as it then becomes tactical.

Get rid or only use it for inside the box or outside the box and lets try to improve the refereeing standards. Even if its only replacing 1or2 refs each season.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Not sure Arteta will see January Even less sure well spend much in January (70% of our players should be for sale though!!)

Agree re not swapping managers, was never our style. Still not convinced by him, less so after the XI he picked today but not certain he has full control and think the bigger issues are higher up in the club, have been since Dein walked away

Whose next and can you really see any improvement with that squad without adding quality players to it?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Not for me, as it then becomes tactical.

Get rid or only use it for inside the box or outside the box and lets try to improve the refereeing standards. Even if its only replacing 1or2 refs each season.

Don’t think we’ll ever lose it now mate and part of its problem is it‘s only being used for certain offences.
Improving the refereeing standards has to go hand in hand with the clamping down on players cheating.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Don’t think we’ll ever lose it now mate and part of its problem is it‘s only being used for certain offences.
Improving the refereeing standards has to go hand in hand with the clamping down on players cheating.

Thats got to be addressed across the globe. Can you see that happening? I can't

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not for me, as it then becomes tactical.

Get rid or only use it for inside the box or outside the box and lets try to improve the refereeing standards. Even if its only replacing 1or2 refs each season.

Agree

The last thing VAR needs is to put it in the hands of managers/captains etc to make challenges - it’s not needed in rugby that way so why in football

It should only be used for red card offences that the referee has missed and anything clearly “obvious” for a goal scored

Right now the VAR is refeering the game by proxy - it’s poor and it’s ruining the game , if someone can’t see something different within 30 seconds on a replay then it’s not clear and obvious, it shouldn’t take 3 mins of slow mo and zooming right in - that’s not what VAR was supposed to be for

Forget the offsides as well , let the linesman do it - there wasnt that many decisions they got wrong

Clear and obvious and red cards - that’s it

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Agree

The last thing VAR needs is to put it in the hands of managers/captains etc to make challenges - it’s not needed in rugby that way so why in football

It should only be used for red card offences that the referee has missed and anything clearly “obvious” for a goal scored

Right now the VAR is refeering the game by proxy - it’s poor and it’s ruining the game , if someone can’t see something different within 30 seconds on a replay then it’s not clear and obvious, it shouldn’t take 3 mins of slow mo and zooming right in - that’s not what VAR was supposed to be for

Forget the offsides as well , let the linesman do it - there wasnt that many decisions they got wrong

Clear and obvious and red cards - that’s it

Explain the 2 Clear and Obvious shirt pulls seen by fans on TV in the Derby at Goodison and missed by the Officials and VAR?

Isn’t part of the problem the fact that “ clear and obvious” is not that clear or obvious!

Other sports are irrelevant, not used in Rugby but works in Cricket?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Explain the 2 Clear and Obvious shirt pulls seen by fans on TV in the Derby at Goodison and missed by the Officials and VAR?

Isn’t part of the problem the fact that “ clear and obvious” is not that clear or obvious!

Other sports are irrelevant, not used in Rugby but works in Cricket?

What do you what me to explain ? The VAR ref in the Derby was completely incompetent and a disgrace hence why Pickford stayed on the pitch

Clear and Obvious is self explanatory- if it’s not seen within seconds of looking at a replay then it’s not clear and obvious - if something can be spotted within seconds then that’s it sorted , if they need to take 2 mins from multiple slow Mo’s and angles then it’s not

Yesterday the Salah incident was clear - he was pushed , its a clear foul that can be seen

Rugby is a perfect example - VAR only gets involved if there is an off the ball incident that could result in a sin bin or red card or if the ref asks them to check during a try being scored

Can easily be used the same way in football - off the ball incidents that could result in a red card ( like the Xhaka incident ) or if the ref things something might have been missed in the run up to a goal - simple , that’s it , nothing more

Cant compare it to cricket in any shape or form. Totally different VAR

 

[Tashyboy]

Annoyed. Good point against Liverpool and thanks to a shocking Arsenal performance we drop a place into the relegation zone and I'll have a chirpy Lancastrian woman to deal with in the morning as well

There all chirpy ?

 

[Bdill93]

Up the villa - yet again!

No idea why we can beat teams who historically finish 7th and above, but struggle against mid table teams - but we're a lot better than we were last year!!

Cant wait to get back to Villa Park

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Heard an interesting stat over weekend

Chelsea haven't beat a top 10 team this season? Is this true ?

They will next weekend when they play us

 

[Liverbirdie]

Thats the tight ones I'm saying they should leave. Its the other ones that are well off, Last season Aubamayeng was 3yards offside ref kept flag down and matip put it out for a corner. I can remember fuming in my seat this was allowed to happen.

Yes, but they have to be 100% ones.

The United/Arsenal one was a "crossover" type, where the defender is running out as the attacker runs forward, and both at pace. If the linesman has a large doubt, keep the flag down. we will just have to accept that there may be some injuries along the way. There is no perfect system.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

What do you what me to explain ? The VAR ref in the Derby was completely incompetent and a disgrace hence why Pickford stayed on the pitch

Clear and Obvious is self explanatory- if it’s not seen within seconds of looking at a replay then it’s not clear and obvious - if something can be spotted within seconds then that’s it sorted , if they need to take 2 mins from multiple slow Mo’s and angles then it’s not

Yesterday the Salah incident was clear - he was pushed , its a clear foul that can be seen

Rugby is a perfect example - VAR only gets involved if there is an off the ball incident that could result in a sin bin or red card or if the ref asks them to check during a try being scored

Can easily be used the same way in football - off the ball incidents that could result in a red card ( like the Xhaka incident ) or if the ref things something might have been missed in the run up to a goal - simple , that’s it , nothing more

Cant compare it to cricket in any shape or form. Totally different VAR

Come on Phil, answer the question I asked about the shirt pulls! Why deflect on to Pickford?

It’s not that simple, it’s only simple when it’s seen!

Ask @Liverbirdie if the shirt pull was clear and obvious leading to Keane’s goal?

We all agree the Refs are poor, we are talking about the tools to help them.

As for tactics with 3 appeals, that’s simple, play continues until the ball is next dead. How could it be tactical? Just like Cricket, use your appeal but be prepared to lose it, everything else you have to accept.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Agree

The last thing VAR needs is to put it in the hands of managers/captains etc to make challenges - it’s not needed in rugby that way so why in football

It should only be used for red card offences that the referee has missed and anything clearly “obvious” for a goal scored

Right now the VAR is refeering the game by proxy - it’s poor and it’s ruining the game , if someone can’t see something different within 30 seconds on a replay then it’s not clear and obvious, it shouldn’t take 3 mins of slow mo and zooming right in - that’s not what VAR was supposed to be for

Forget the offsides as well , let the linesman do it - there wasnt that many decisions they got wrong

Clear and obvious and red cards - that’s it

Nope, the first thing that needs doing is take it away from the refs and VAR refs.

You quote rugby, I quote cricket - either can work.

If your talking tactically using it, in what way?. If for using up time, arent the refs supposed to add time on for it?

At least try it for one season, cant be any worse than the current incumbent. Are you seriously suggesting that the way refs and VAR refs use it is in any way fair, consistent and sensible at the moment - i'll take the answer to be no, so why not give one season the other way round, and if still the load of rubbish we have now, bin it.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Come on Phil, answer the question I asked about the shirt pulls! Why deflect on to Pickford?

It’s not that simple, it’s only simple when it’s seen!

Ask @Liverbirdie if the shirt pull was clear and obvious leading to Keane’s goal?

We all agree the Refs are poor, we are talking about the tools to help them.

As for tactics with 3 appeals, that’s simple, play continues until the ball is next dead. How could it be tactical? Just like Cricket, use your appeal but be prepared to lose it, everything else you have to accept.

Sorry I can’t recall shirt pulls on games 2 months ago ?‍

And doesn’t matter what tool if the ref is still that poor he can’t even see the infringement in front of them

Don’t need to have appeals -don’t need it rugby which is a more appropriate game to compare to as opposed to cricket which has no comparison at all to football.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Nope, the first thing that needs doing is take it away from the refs and VAR refs.

You quote rugby, I quote cricket - either can work.

If your talking tactically using it, in what way?. If for using up time, arent the refs supposed to add time on for it?

At least try it for one season, cant be any worse than the current incumbent. Are you seriously suggesting that the way refs and VAR refs use it is in any way fair, consistent and sensible at the moment - i'll take the answer to be no, so why not give one season the other way round, and if still the load of rubbish we have now, bin it.

You can’t compare football to cricket - it’s not the same flow of the game , there is no comparison at all between now cricket works and how football works. Rugby is more relevant comparison - its the same flow , the same make up - the way the game is played is very close. VAR works fine - red cards and when the ref asks for assistance , that’s it , nothing else. They don’t need a captain to ask or throw in an appeal - it’s easy in cricket when appealing is all part of the game.