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The Footie Thread

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need_my_wedge said:
Can't believe he didn't see red for that. The team really is a shadow of its former self, unless something changes pdq, I fear this may become the first time we get relegated from the top flight.
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not sure if you saw it, but when you watch the replays after having done that Elneny also makes a pathetic dive and pretends to be hurt, so embarrassing
 
Liverpoolphil said:
You can’t compare football to cricket - it’s not the same flow of the game , there is no comparison at all between now cricket works and how football works. Rugby is more relevant comparison - its the same flow , the same make up - the way the game is played is very close. VAR works fine - red cards and when the ref asks for assistance , that’s it , nothing else. They don’t need a captain to ask or throw in an appeal - it’s easy in cricket when appealing is all part of the game.
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Why can't you?

Granted the more similar sports are rugby/football in the way they are played, but this is to do with a decision making process with regards to foul play, nit just about how they run around a big field.

Just look at the decision making process as an entity on its own, as the current dynamic is massively flawed, although were you get VAR is fine from, I dont know?
 
Liverbirdie said:
Why can't you?

Granted the more similar sports are rugby/football in the way they are played, but this is to do with a decision making process with regards to foul play, nit just about how they run around a big field.

Just look at the decision making process as an entity on its own, as the current dynamic is massively flawed, although were you get VAR is fine from, I dont know?
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VAR in Rugby works fine and that’s the model football should be based around.

Cricket is a world of difference where they are using a guess work process on ball tracking and the whole framework and process of appeals is a totally different model

Football doesn’t imo work for an appeal process from the sideline or on the pitch - opens up issues imo. Hockey uses an appeal process where you get one appeal per game but again the flow of the game and when it’s used is different.

You can just see it - oppo Captain throws down an appeal whilst the other team are bursting through after a quick thump up field.

If football followed the Rugby model then I think it would iron out a number of issues

Red card off the ball offences
Anything clear and obvious when a goal is scored
 
fundy said:
Id stick with him personally, not sure it will happen though.

Only way we improve with the current squad is to remove the long standing poisons like Xhaka from it and play some of the youngsters but long term far more quality is needed. Its amazing how many times some of them need to fail yet get given chance after chance. Been saying it for years but isnt going to change under the current board set up sadly

Would like to see us set up something like:
Leno, AMN, Saliba, Gabriel, Tierney, Ceballos, Partey, Saka, Smith Rowe, Nelson/Martinelli, Aubameyang

I would put the following up for sale/free tfr: Ozil, Xhaka, Luiz, Willian, Lacazette, Elneny, Mustafi, Sokratis, Chambers, Holding, Bellerin, Kolasinac, Cedric

The second list shows just how the big a problem anyone incoming has!
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I am with you on all that except Ceballos. He is slow, and bang average at best. It's no wonder he is out on loan. Again.
 
Tashyboy said:
Joking aside I know the draws been done which has somewhat overshadowed Houlliers sad passing. What’s the Liverpool’s fans thought on him. I quite liked him personally.
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Im more cut up about this than I thought I would be.

From a fan perspective, he’s the first real Liverpool manager I remember. I was at the “Michael Owen” FA Cup as an 11 year old and the sheer joy of singing his song for what felt like hours after the match will live with me until the day I die. I now understand the importance he had professionally within the club, bringing us into the 21st century in the change of how the club was run.

He was a great man. I’m gutted. Absolutely gutted.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
VAR in Rugby works fine and that’s the model football should be based around.

Cricket is a world of difference where they are using a guess work process on ball tracking and the whole framework and process of appeals is a totally different model

Football doesn’t imo work for an appeal process from the sideline or on the pitch - opens up issues imo. Hockey uses an appeal process where you get one appeal per game but again the flow of the game and when it’s used is different.

You can just see it - oppo Captain throws down an appeal whilst the other team are bursting through after a quick thump up field.

If football followed the Rugby model then I think it would iron out a number of issues

Red card off the ball offences
Anything clear and obvious when a goal is scored
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You have given one example of why it may not work - simple, the ball has to go dead before you can start your appeal.

To me most of VAR's problems is the dynamic of when a ref uses it, when VAR suggest the ref has a look, the VAR make the decision themselves - can you see the common thread, here?

Instead put it on the manager/captain when to use instead.

If it doesnt work after a year of that, fair enough at least it has been tried.
 
Liverbirdie said:
You have given one example of why it may not work - simple, the ball has to go dead before you can start your appeal.

To me most of VAR's problems is the dynamic of when a ref uses it, when VAR suggest the ref has a look, the VAR make the decision themselves - can you see the common thread, here?

Instead put it on the manager/captain when to use instead.

If it doesnt work after a year of that, fair enough at least it has been tried.
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Hence why you change the dynamics of when the VAR is used and keep to those boundaries - right now VAR is acting like a second ref , too involved

VAR should only ever be about making sure there are no real blunders or that someone doesn’t get away with a shocking incident that’s missed by the officials

It’s should be up to officials to officiate the match not players or managers etc - they should have no involvement in the VAR

We will just have to agree to disagree because I can never see them going to some sort of appeal/challenge method - a player or manager would find a way to make it tactical
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Hence why you change the dynamics of when the VAR is used and keep to those boundaries - right now VAR is acting like a second ref , too involved

VAR should only ever be about making sure there are no real blunders or that someone doesn’t get away with a shocking incident that’s missed by the officials

It’s should be up to officials to officiate the match not players or managers etc - they should have no involvement in the VAR

We will just have to agree to disagree because I can never see them going to some sort of appeal/challenge method - a player or manager would find a way to make it tactical
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But they have said that they are improving it all the time, and that they are being less intrusive, when its patently the opposite.

I was in favour of it coming in, but its that bad that it either needs to change the dynamic or get binned.

You live in hope of it ever going to clear and obvious, and bring in Stuey's referees from space, but I dont share your confidences, so would rather change the dynamic of who decides when it gets used. It needs root and branch reform, not tweaking.
 
Sad to hear about Houlier. Very talented manager and you only have to look at what he won https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gérard_Houllier#Manager and what esteem to he was held in by his peers. Clearly his Liverpool career was arguably his pinnacle and although like many before and after he failed to win the league title he did a lot for the club. Another sad loss
 
As I see it once the VAR genie was let out of the bottle the damage was done.

Its use cannot be limited as that would only lead to more protests and argument with the claim rightly being made that the technology is there and should, therefore, be referred to.

Also comparing the use of video based officiating in other sports with VAR in football is not realistic.

Cricket is a string of sequences of play (balls bowled) with a clear break between each.

Rugby is a series of phases of play arising from regular set plays (scrums, line-outs, free kicks and penalties) and thus reference to outside officials is less intrusive.

In football the restart of play after a ball has gone out is far more instant, unless playing for time?, and the game does not lend itself to lengthy reviews being undertaken.

Goal-line technology should have been the limit as the outcome is instantaneous and purely fact based. Mind you Sheffield United might not agree with me on that.
 
Love these daft facts!

When Jose Mourinho has finished a season in the Premier League, he's always finished in the same position that he was in after 12 games…

...Tottenham are currently 1st after 12 games
 
Blatant dive from Neto. VAR at least did something right in overturning the penalty, but why not book him them? You've just seen on the video plain as day that there was zero contact. Why not give him a card? I'm sure they'd say VAR isn't for reviewing yellow card decisions but you've just watched it anyway so you might as well give him the yellow he deserves!
 
Orikoru said:
Blatant dive from Neto. VAR at least did something right in overturning the penalty, but why not book him them? You've just seen on the video plain as day that there was zero contact. Why not give him a card? I'm sure they'd say VAR isn't for reviewing yellow card decisions but you've just watched it anyway so you might as well give him the yellow he deserves!
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If its not a pen then its a booking.
 
Orikoru said:
Blatant dive from Neto. VAR at least did something right in overturning the penalty, but why not book him them? You've just seen on the video plain as day that there was zero contact. Why not give him a card? I'm sure they'd say VAR isn't for reviewing yellow card decisions but you've just watched it anyway so you might as well give him the yellow he deserves!
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Went down squealing like a pig too! Then scores a beauty of a winner...just show your talent and leave the cheating.
 
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