The Footie Thread

[Deleted member 16999]

Whilst I agree that's confusing that bit is to state which way a throw in or corner goes rather than in or out of play

Hawkeye may work but would it at that height? It was impossible to tell

Few west ham fans have been like Arthur left pitch to get ball for throw etc .. yes footballers the pillars of honestly and not appealing for something that's not there

I couldn't tell at the time nor with replays

Good goal aswell

Fantastic finish plus a great 15 minutes by Utd, I totally agree the replays were pretty much useless, that’s why I mentioned the linesman from the beginning, he’s the only one that could of made a definitive decision and imo he’s responsible for the doubt.

People are looking to VAR and questioning it when, for me, this one is solely down to human error and nothing to do with VAR.

 

[Billysboots]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9625785/var-premier-league-rules-2019-20-video-referee/amp/


The technology cannot be used to advise on:

• yellow cards, including second yellows
• potential fouls in ordinary open play
• to decide on corner or throw-in awards.

Do you see why it is confusing?

A ball in or out of play is quite easy, hawkeye, Tennis etc. But the cost to do it for sidelines in football would be too much and that’s why the lino should of done his job.

The authorities are over complicating a beautifully simple game, which is why so many fans hate VAR with a passion. And, it seems, many players feel the same.

I would far rather go back to the good old days when we just used to moan about poor decisions. Instead, we are moaning about the poor application of a poor system to review poor decisions, the net result being even more poor decisions and controversies.

It’s just becoming a total farce.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Fantastic finish plus a great 15 minutes by Utd, I totally agree the replays were pretty much useless, that’s why I mentioned the linesman from the beginning, he’s the only one that could of made a definitive decision and imo he’s responsible for the doubt.

People are looking to VAR and questioning it when, for me, this one is solely down to human error and nothing to do with VAR.

Fantastic 15 mins of football

Even if they chalked it off man United were starting to control the game

Lino defo the problem ... But hey I don't know how anyone could call it properly the entire of the ball crossed entire of line in mid air

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I feel it is harsh to criticise the assistant referee/linesman.

He was having to run along the line whilst looking across the pitch to be able to judge offside and other incidents.

At the same time he is expected to judge if the ball has gone out of play when that ball is travelling at speed approximately 20 feet above his head and the ball does not hit the ground until it is comfortably in play.

Had it done so out of play it would be fair to be critical but as it was we are asking the linesman to have the faculties of a superhero.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I feel it is harsh to criticise the assistant referee/linesman.

He was having to run along the line whilst looking across the pitch to be able to judge offside and other incidents.

At the same time he is expected to judge if the ball has gone out of play when that ball is travelling at speed approximately 20 feet above his head and the ball does not hit the ground until it is comfortably in play.

Had it done so out of play it would be fair to be critical but as it was we are asking the linesman to have the faculties of a superhero.

As others have said he doesn't need to look for offside etc ATM as that's where var will come in

Monitor the line if anything else missed var will spot

 

[Tashyboy]

VAR can’t review it as it is not part of their remit.?‍

It wasn’t so much as was it in or out of play, it’s more the fact the lino turned his back on it and ran down the line, he should of watched the flight of the ball and let VAR review an offside decision if required.

That way there’d be no discussion as he would of made a call on what he’d seen.

This is the correct and obvious answer. Yet still not acceptable to some.?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I feel it is harsh to criticise the assistant referee/linesman.

He was having to run along the line whilst looking across the pitch to be able to judge offside and other incidents.

At the same time he is expected to judge if the ball has gone out of play when that ball is travelling at speed approximately 20 feet above his head and the ball does not hit the ground until it is comfortably in play.

Had it done so out of play it would be fair to be critical but as it was we are asking the linesman to have the faculties of a superhero.

Surely that’s what has been expected of linesmen since they were introduced to the game?

Every offside decision they are expected to be up with play and looking at both the last man and the ball constantly.

When the ball is played he should with a glance know if the player is offside or not, yesterday their was no close offside, Man Utd players were well onside.

His next job was to follow the ball, he didn’t, (watch the replays) he turns his back on the ball and sprints towards the West Ham goal, therefore forgetting to watch the flight of the ball.

Yes it may seem harsh, but they have less to do now he was the only one capable of making the correct decision.

 

[Billysboots]

This is the correct and obvious answer. Yet still not acceptable to some.?

I don’t think anyone can be certain, but it appeared from a distance as though the linesman did track the first part of the ball flight prior to returning his attention to the pitch itself.

Bottom line is his eyes can’t be everywhere.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

As others have said he doesn't need to look for offside etc ATM as that's where var will come in

Monitor the line if anything else missed var will spot

The instructions to assistant referees are still for them to assess offside and to watch for other offences in order to assist the ref.

Also, we are asking him to judge the flight of a ball relative to a line at ground level whilst that ball is some 20 feet or so above him.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The instructions to assistant referees are still for them to assess offside and to watch for other offences in order to assist the ref.

Also, we are asking him to judge the flight of a ball relative to a line at ground level whilst that ball is some 20 feet or so above him.

This is nothing new, we also ask Rugby officials to do the same.

I’m a bit surprised knowing your history in the game that you seem to be so lenient towards him.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

This is nothing new, we also ask Rugby officials to do the same.

I’m a bit surprised knowing your history in the game that you seem to be so lenient towards him.

I have no idea what happens in rugby as I am afraid that I have absolutely no interest in that game.

Genuinely not having a dig at anyone on here but it does seem to me that those that get most vexed by decisions in VAR times tend to be those that get their football from the TV with its endless replays.

Those who, in non-lockdown times watch live tend to be more accepting that officials, just like players aren't infallible and occasionally make mistakes.

 

[Tashyboy]

Kinda surprised no one has mentioned what has gone off at Millwall, or have they. A few folks I have spoken to have said that bending a knee has gone on long enough.
Whats folks thoughts on this matter.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Kinda surprised no one has mentioned what has gone off at Millwall, or have they. A few folks I have spoken to have said that bending a knee has gone on long enough.
Whats folks thoughts on this matter.

It's political. So not allowed to debate

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Another farcical VAR interference this time in the West Brom/Palace game.

Pereira will now miss 3 games for a yellow card offence.

At least they're consistent ??

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I have no idea what happens in rugby as I am afraid that I have absolutely no interest in that game.

Genuinely not having a dig at anyone on here but it does seem to me that those that get most vexed by decisions in VAR times tend to be those that get their football from the TV with its endless replays.

Those who, in non-lockdown times watch live tend to be more accepting that officials, just like players aren't infallible and occasionally make mistakes.

Funnily enough I find the opposite, those who have or do play or been involved in the game for a long time are far more accepting of human error and mistakes happen.

Then we have the difference in those that watch and go to PL only who are normally more vocal towards the Officials, understandibly though in my opinion as they only get on look at the decisions at the match once and are more emotionally invested at the time.

The opinions I do agree since the only option has been on TV is very divided, some can’t wait to highlight the bad decisions and see no positives in VAR.

 

[Fade and Die]

I have no idea what happens in rugby as I am afraid that I have absolutely no interest in that game.

Genuinely not having a dig at anyone on here but it does seem to me that those that get most vexed by decisions in VAR times tend to be those that get their football from the TV with its endless replays.

Those who, in non-lockdown times watch live tend to be more accepting that officials, just like players aren't infallible and occasionally make mistakes.

I think this is pretty fair. No one can say with certainty if the ball went out or not, the lino should have been watching but missed it. He made a mistake... So did Haller when he fell on his arse instead of side footing the ball into an open goal. It’s part of football.
I would sack VAR off tomorrow as it’s killing the game as a live spectacle but then all the TV experts would be up in arms at 5mm offsides not given!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I think this is pretty fair. No one can say with certainty if the ball went out or not, the lino should have been watching but missed it. He made a mistake... So did Haller when he fell on his arse instead of side footing the ball into an open goal. It’s part of football.
I would sack VAR off tomorrow as it’s killing the game as a live spectacle but then all the TV experts would be up in arms at 5mm offsides not given!

Do we really need them? I wouldn't miss any of them tbh.

Those who used to recite Andy Gray and co on radio phone ins etc would be buggered though

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Do we really need them? I wouldn't miss any of them tbh.

Those who used to recite Andy Gray and co on radio phone ins etc would be buggered though

Dunno about most but I watch football for the game and don't even bother watching what the "experts" say most.of the time

 

[Slime]

It was dangerous play and about 2 inches from the strikers head! If that had been a striker doing the same it would've been a foul. It was needless when a header would've sufficed.

The ball was clearly out but with no proof it couldn't be overturned. Very similar to a high draw in golf. The linesman got it wrong, one of those strokes of luck that turned the game on it's head.

Pogba didn't have a good game, he was woeful bar that one moment of magic. I think I covered more ground around Tesco tonight than he did on the pitch. Rashford literally did more in 30 minutes than Pogba has all season. Even Mata came on and made more passes and key passes. I don't hate Utd, I'm a total neutral when it comes to the PL, I just enjoy watching sides who play good football with likable players who give 100%. I find a number of your players very easy to dislike, while Ole is an Alan Partridge like parody of Ferguson. All that's missing is the Castrol GTX jacket

It was certainly more than two inches and he was facing the wrong way to head it away from the goal.
Pogba had a good game, I think most unbiased people would agree with that.
As I asked before, just out of curiosity, why do you hate United so much?

 

[Slime]

The authorities are over complicating a beautifully simple game, which is why so many fans hate VAR with a passion. And, it seems, many players feel the same.

I would far rather go back to the good old days when we just used to moan about poor decisions. Instead, we are moaning about the poor application of a poor system to review poor decisions, the net result being even more poor decisions and controversies.

It’s just becoming a total farce.

They certainly are and that is in part, a large part, due to players constantly cheating and, therefore, making the officials' job almost impossible.