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Hope so as i think it will be detrimental to both clubs!:sneaky:

Chelsea's players will think that Potter is not good enough to tell them what to do and Brighton are in the position they are now simply because of what Potter has created.

All being well Potter will be our Manager by the end of the season.... Happy days! :D

haha, brilliant how different fans from different clubs are spinning things :)
 

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It is fun laughing at Liverpool. God knows, other fans have been laughing at United for long enough (and rightly so). However, genuinely, what is going wrong?

Liverpool still have a decent forward line, despite losing Mane (granted, Nunez has yet to prove himself). But Salah seems a shadow of his normal self, since well before Mane left (probably since the African Cup of Nations). From a form perspective, and from someone who simply watched as a non-Liverpool fan and thus not analysing him in any depth, he almost seems to have turned into Daniel James (I know, that is harsh, sorry.....Daniel). The midfield have never looked that spectacular on paper, despite fans singing the praises of some of those midfielders. They have always worked hard, and were a good link between a solid defence and potent attack, I just didn't see them as having outstanding technical quality. Are they past their sell by date? And, the defence look to have been atrocious. TAA seems to now have been exposed as a terrible defender, despite those arguing otherwise not so long ago. Gomez might not be as good as some people told us he was, or at least gone backwards in his development due to injuries and lack of football. And VVD doesn't seem to have the ability to tackle, or close people down. Is he now being exposed because he is not getting the protection in front and to the side of him anymore (in the same way Harry Maguire has been exposed)?

To be fair, it is still early season. They've won one game 9-0, and maybe they'll scrape a few wins, get some confidence, and then go on to win about 10-15 games in a row. However, as we stand now, the signs must be worrying for Liverpool fans. Although I'm happy enough to see them struggle, from a draft fantasy football point of view it is killing me, with Robertson and Allison in my team. A couple of weeks ago I tried to do a cheeky swap with another manager, he gives me Salah and I give him Lingard. He refused, I wonder if he is regretting that decision? :)
TAA has never been a great defender
Sometimes not even good
Exposed many many times
Klopps delusional comment that he was the best RB in the world,perhaps then Klopp should have went as obviously he was blinkered.
I believe he will never play consistently for England under Southgate as defending is his priority.
TAA going forward is the best since Beckham but unfortunately it’s not enough.
If they had a central defender who covered for him well it will work better,but they haven’t.
 

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Hope so as i think it will be detrimental to both clubs!:sneaky:

Chelsea's players will think that Potter is not good enough to tell them what to do and Brighton are in the position they are now simply because of what Potter has created.

All being well Potter will be our Manager by the end of the season.... Happy days! :D

Behave. Moyes is here for another 2-5 years and darn right
 
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TAA has never been a great defender
Sometimes not even good
Exposed many many times
Klopps delusional comment that he was the best RB in the world,perhaps then Klopp should have went as obviously he was blinkered.
I believe he will never play consistently for England under Southgate as defending is his priority.
TAA going forward is the best since Beckham but unfortunately it’s not enough.
If they had a central defender who covered for him well it will work better,but they haven’t.

If you went the game you'd see exactly who covers for him and its certainly not a Central defender ?

It's the right sided CM who usually slots in there and fills the gap. As we're currently carrying a midfield thats not fit for purpose, he then gets exposed for being "out of position" but in the tactical plan he's not.

That game last night Trent heads it back to Gomez to retain possesion. 9 out of 10 times Gomez either plays it back to Trent and he's in the right position to restart an attack or Gomez sends it back the keeper and we restart an attack.

What i can't accept nor do i think Klopp would either is his lacklustre jog back to defend.

For 45 minutes every game Klopp sees TAA's position right in front of him. If he thought he shouldnt be were he wanted him Klopp would bollock him 100%.
 
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It is fun laughing at Liverpool. God knows, other fans have been laughing at United for long enough (and rightly so). However, genuinely, what is going wrong?

Liverpool still have a decent forward line, despite losing Mane (granted, Nunez has yet to prove himself). But Salah seems a shadow of his normal self, since well before Mane left (probably since the African Cup of Nations). From a form perspective, and from someone who simply watched as a non-Liverpool fan and thus not analysing him in any depth, he almost seems to have turned into Daniel James (I know, that is harsh, sorry.....Daniel). The midfield have never looked that spectacular on paper, despite fans singing the praises of some of those midfielders. They have always worked hard, and were a good link between a solid defence and potent attack, I just didn't see them as having outstanding technical quality. Are they past their sell by date? And, the defence look to have been atrocious. TAA seems to now have been exposed as a terrible defender, despite those arguing otherwise not so long ago. Gomez might not be as good as some people told us he was, or at least gone backwards in his development due to injuries and lack of football. And VVD doesn't seem to have the ability to tackle, or close people down. Is he now being exposed because he is not getting the protection in front and to the side of him anymore (in the same way Harry Maguire has been exposed)?

To be fair, it is still early season. They've won one game 9-0, and maybe they'll scrape a few wins, get some confidence, and then go on to win about 10-15 games in a row. However, as we stand now, the signs must be worrying for Liverpool fans. Although I'm happy enough to see them struggle, from a draft fantasy football point of view it is killing me, with Robertson and Allison in my team. A couple of weeks ago I tried to do a cheeky swap with another manager, he gives me Salah and I give him Lingard. He refused, I wonder if he is regretting that decision? :)

For me there's 2 things.

They look shattered, last seasons full compliment of games and then some went to the international Play offs, they were playing til 3rd week in june and theh were back in mid july.
They need more time off than what they've had.

There's not enough quality in Midfield and that breaks the whole game plan.

Mo is playing so wide he's being isolated. He usually plays that in that inside position where trent drops in. Usually leaving space for Trent to get wide amd past him.

We've got Elliot playing as the right side Midfielder and hes just not upto it at the minute and thats not his fault. Cant fault his commitment etc but its blatantly obvious.
 

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For me there's 2 things.

They look shattered, last seasons full compliment of games and then some went to the international Play offs, they were playing til 3rd week in june and theh were back in mid july.
They need more time off than what they've had.

There's not enough quality in Midfield and that breaks the whole game plan.

Mo is playing so wide he's being isolated. He usually plays that in that inside position where trent drops in. Usually leaving space for Trent to get wide amd past him.

We've got Elliot playing as the right side Midfielder and hes just not upto it at the minute and thats not his fault. Cant fault his commitment etc but its blatantly obvious.
Agree with every word of this.

The midfield being broken, physically and tactically, just shows how important they were at their peak. They now can't cover for the wing backs (all the talk of Trent, but Robertson has been equally exposed this season) and they (without Thiago) don't have the killer instinct to feed the forwards. Especially obvious down the right, where 2018-2020 - winning the CL and then the league - the system was almost Hendo at RB (covering from CM, as Gini did for Robbo), Trent at right wing and Salah inside right. For some reason now Trent is coming inside and Salah coming out so wide he's basically on the moon.

The midfield doesn't work and the system falls apart. It's not rocket science, and it's up to Klopp to solve. But it was plain as day towards the end of last season. Yes, we were minutes away from "winning the lot" but we also didn't score in what felt like about 27 days off football against Chelsea, not 4/5 hours or whatever it was. And the ability to keep conceding first is not one that I'd like to see us build on!
 

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The system that Liverpool play, it leaves them wide open at the back. Long balls over the top or more so down the flanks that have been vacated by the wing backs is a no brainer. Napoli exploited it to perfection. Now there has to be a plan to counter that Long ball. There isn’t and that’s not down to the players. Liverpool press from the front and do it very very well. I expected Liverpool to batter Utd when they played out from the back. Utd didn’t, they leathered it forward which left Liverpool heavy up front and having to build from the back. By that time teams have got back and compacted the defence, it makes it harder for Robertson and TAA. to get forward and create space.
I have said this before and I will say it again. When City were battering teams a few seasons back. Teams the following season went on damage limitation. Mostly pack defence and hit on the break. It is still happening this year to good effect from some teams.
Liverpool are now in that situation where teams have changed there approach when playing Liverpool. They don’t want to get battered. Liverpool have to find a way to play different. At the moment I don’t see it and again that is not down to the players.
City changed by playing a false nine and then buying a Viking. Liverpool need a very good plan B and soon. Coz if they don’t they will lose the fear factor and when that happens the Utd fans will reappear and start taking the Mick again.
 

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Well, that is Potter agreed then.

So, now Brighton need to get themselves sorted. Any Brighton fans here?
Yeah I'm a seagulls fan and am gutted ,the way spuds have got away with things so far and Liverpool playing rubbish yernited aren't inspiring anyone, the gooners are flaky , Brighton could easily have been a top four side if potter had stayed .
Unfortunately we will never know.
I can't see Chelsea finishing top six let alone top four as potter ball takes time to establish and the primadonnas won't like being told to play as a team and not as individuals.
Brighton will need a lot more than just another manager as the whole backroom staff has gone with him . Which is a shame as I thought Bruno would have been a good shout to take over as he knows how potter did things.
To be honest we will be lucky to make top half this season and probably struggle to stay up next season.
 

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Yeah I'm a seagulls fan and am gutted ,the way spuds have got away with things so far and Liverpool playing rubbish yernited aren't inspiring anyone, the gooners are flaky , Brighton could easily have been a top four side if potter had stayed .
Unfortunately we will never know.
I can't see Chelsea finishing top six let alone top four as potter ball takes time to establish and the primadonnas won't like being told to play as a team and not as individuals.
Brighton will need a lot more than just another manager as the whole backroom staff has gone with him . Which is a shame as I thought Bruno would have been a good shout to take over as he knows how potter did things.
To be honest we will be lucky to make top half this season and probably struggle to stay up next season.
Be more positive. Your club seems to be very well run, hopefully the new manager will be of the same mindset and just slot in. I can't see you appointing someone who wants to change things so ideally it will be seamless.
 

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Be more positive. Your club seems to be very well run, hopefully the new manager will be of the same mindset and just slot in. I can't see you appointing someone who wants to change things so ideally it will be seamless.


Agree, Tony Bloom clearly no idiot and the club is well run, they'll make a decent appointment, most likely from the lower leagues hopefully
 

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For me there's 2 things.

They look shattered, last seasons full compliment of games and then some went to the international Play offs, they were playing til 3rd week in june and theh were back in mid july.
They need more time off than what they've had.

There's not enough quality in Midfield and that breaks the whole game plan.

Mo is playing so wide he's being isolated. He usually plays that in that inside position where trent drops in. Usually leaving space for Trent to get wide amd past him.

We've got Elliot playing as the right side Midfielder and hes just not upto it at the minute and thats not his fault. Cant fault his commitment etc but its blatantly obvious.
genuine question though.
Why hasn’t Klopp done anything about it. Or has he.
This has been happening for a while Milner in the starting line up
Has Klopp asked for funds and owners said no.
Or did Klopps targets say no to Liverpool?
 

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Agree, Tony Bloom clearly no idiot and the club is well run, they'll make a decent appointment, most likely from the lower leagues hopefully
They've always had a plan B and continually aware of the best managers out there to suit Brightons plans for the future.

As disappointed as I am, I'm confident that Tony Bloom and Paul Barber will appoint the right person to take the club forward.

Good luck Graham Potter.
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