The all things EV chat thread

[Deleted member 35927]

How many ice cream vans do you see in rush hour traffic on main roads?

Has your dislike of EVs come to this ?

 

[clubchamp98]

Not really it's more the poor maintenance, just chucking in a dollop of tarmac as opposed to a proper repair

Yes really .
It’s the weight of the vehicles that damage it in the first place before they mess up the repair.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Yes really .
It’s the weight of the vehicles that damage it in the first place before they mess up the repair.

Yes buses and HGVs cause lots of damage , what relevance does this have to EV cars ?

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Incoming help towards buying an EV

Electric cars: Drivers offered up to £3,750 discount

Government will subsidise prices cuts to encourage a shift away from petrol and diesel.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[clubchamp98]

Yes buses and HGVs cause lots of damage , what relevance does this have to EV cars ?

Busses and HGVs pay a lot in VED.
A lot more than cars?

Just because a EV dosnt have any exhaust gasses dosnt mean it dosnt contribute to road wear and tear.
My point is it’s based on the wrong thing.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Busses and HGVs pay a lot in VED.
A lot more than cars?

Just because a EV dosnt have any exhaust gasses dosnt mean it dosnt contribute to road wear and tear.
My point is it’s based on the wrong thing.

And we pay £195 a year ved, seems fair enough , where as 1.6 diesel from 2017 could be paying £20. And ved is and hasnt been a road related tax in decades.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Incoming help towards buying an EV

Electric cars: Drivers offered up to £3,750 discount

Government will subsidise prices cuts to encourage a shift away from petrol and diesel.

www.bbc.co.uk

Wonder where they will get that £650mil from ?

That’s a rise in VED

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The discount will be between £1,500 - £3,750 and be limited to cars with a value of £37k. That makes sense to me. Why give a discount to someone who can afford a car worth more than £37k? If you can afford that, you don't need a discount. Certainly not from the tax payer.

 

[road2ruin]

The discount will be between £1,500 - £3,750 and be limited to cars with a value of £37k. That makes sense to me. Why give a discount to someone who can afford a car worth more than £37k? If you can afford that, you don't need a discount. Certainly not from the tax payer.

I actually think the value of £37k is on the high side as the've taken the average cost of EV's as a whole. They should have ignored those at the top of the market and looked at more 'standard' EV's which would have probably lowered the limit to say £30k. Whilst I appreciate that EV's are generally more expensive I don't think someone buying a new car at £37k needs the help IMO.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The discount will be between £1,500 - £3,750 and be limited to cars with a value of £37k. That makes sense to me. Why give a discount to someone who can afford a car worth more than £37k? If you can afford that, you don't need a discount. Certainly not from the tax payer.

Looking at Google - the average price of an EV car is £46k

What sort of EV cars are below £37k ?

Is it mainly the small city run arounds ?

Aren’t most of the new Chinese ones below that

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I actually think the value of £37k is on the high side as the've taken the average cost of EV's as a whole. They should have ignored those at the top of the market and looked at more 'standard' EV's which would have probably lowered the limit to say £30k. Whilst I appreciate that EV's are generally more expensive I don't think someone buying a new car at £37k needs the help IMO.

I don’t tbink it’s about giving someone “help” - I think it’s more about giving some incentive to people to buy an EV care over ICE

The discounts may go towards paying for charger install etc

 

[jim8flog]

Looking at Google - the average price of an EV car is £46k

What sort of EV cars are below £37k ?

Is it mainly the small city run arounds ?

Aren’t most of the new Chinese ones below that

The incentive could also be about a 'gentle' nudge to car manufacturers to drop car prices below the £37k ceiling.

 

[Bunkermagnet]

The discount will be between £1,500 - £3,750 and be limited to cars with a value of £37k. That makes sense to me. Why give a discount to someone who can afford a car worth more than £37k? If you can afford that, you don't need a discount. Certainly not from the tax payer.

There is some small print.
It’s only to EV’s under £37k but also must have some sustainability elements in it. That is ruling out BYD and all the other Chinese brands, which I think is a good thing.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Looking at Google - the average price of an EV car is £46k

What sort of EV cars are below £37k ?

Is it mainly the small city run arounds ?

Aren’t most of the new Chinese ones below that

I don't know to be honest. I would say, I agree with @road2ruin (although my next point is not necessarily what he is saying, just to be clear). I see no reason why average to low wage tax payers should be subsidising high value cars.

Maybe they should have looked more at the second hand market. Could they help there instead of purely new cars?

 

[Deleted member 35927]

I don't know to be honest. I would say, I agree with @road2ruin (although my next point is not necessarily what he is saying, just to be clear). I see no reason why average to low wage tax payers should be subsidising high value cars.

Maybe they should have looked more at the second hand market. Could they help there instead of purely new cars?

Tons of bargains to be had In the used area, now that we are a while down the EV road. Some real bargains out there, people just need to get past the nonsense and myths spouted by sections of the media.
Those prices won't be around for ever, once people realise what a deal they can get ..

 

[Arthur Wedge]

The incentive could also be about a 'gentle' nudge to car manufacturers to drop car prices below the £37k ceiling.

If manufacturing costs are high then I can’t see them reducing the prices of the cars

 

[Arthur Wedge]

I don't know to be honest. I would say, I agree with @road2ruin (although my next point is not necessarily what he is saying, just to be clear). I see no reason why average to low wage tax payers should be subsidising high value cars.

Maybe they should have looked more at the second hand market. Could they help there instead of purely new cars?

I guess there will be the worries about second hand EVs and battery usage etc

With batteries degrading over time it’s going to affect the second hand market

Whilst cost is a barrier for some buying an EV car I think charging and ease of charging is potentially a bigger barrier for many - spend a lot of that money on improving that and they may get more buying EVs

 

[Deleted member 35927]

If manufacturing costs are high then I can’t see them reducing the prices of the cars

As demand goes up and then costs will come down.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

As demand goes up and then costs will come down.

Chicken and egg - cost to own is high so demand won’t be there , manufacturers are still selling a lot of EVs but they aren’t cheap

It’s not cheap to build them and to manufacture the batteries

 

[Deleted member 35927]

I guess there will be the worries about second hand EVs and battery usage etc

With batteries degrading over time it’s going to affect the second hand market

Whilst cost is a barrier for some buying an EV car I think charging and ease of charging is potentially a bigger barrier for many - spend a lot of that money on improving that and they may get more buying EVs

ah battery degradation, tons of evidence to show batteries will outlive the useful life of the car. Especially now we have EVs on the road for many years.
It's a shame that this sort of stuff is still peddled as important.