The all things EV chat thread

[Arthur Wedge]

Oh was a joke...

Your opinions are welcome , but they are just that . Whereas many here have several years of real world experience of ev driving and find the stuff spouted about inconvenience and such like are just not there.

Inconvenience or indeed convenience will be different for each person depending on their circumstances

There is about 40% of households that don’t have off road parking - it’s an “inconvenience” for those households to owning a full EV because of the challenges with charging the car

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Oh was a joke...

Your opinions are welcome , but they are just that . Whereas many here have several years of real world experience of ev driving and find the stuff spouted about inconvenience and such like are just not there.

It's amazing driving EV for 5 years .. which by then the nissan leaf had been on the road for 9 years when I started my EV journey.. that EVs are still viewed by some as "a stop gap" "the future" etc etc even tho it's clearly the hear and now.

The time for hybrids was 2 decades ago. They should have been forced into every car to save fuel. Cars doing less than 50 mpg should have been banned from being produced if we seriously wanted to tackle the issue of oil use. Make cars better and use less of it. Unfortunately they buried climate change for decades

How the oil industry made us doubt climate change - BBC News https://share.google/8vB6ZTC72Me6iKW5S

Just to get us to spend more money on their product.

Now we have to play catch up

EVs have been blocked and knocked down for ages by those in power and the media. Most anti EV stories come from the oil industry it's hilarious

Oil industry has sought to block state backing for green tech since 1960s

Research shows industry lobbying against support for solar panels and electric cars while enjoying subsidies itself

www.theguardian.com

All because money is more important than this planet to them

Even now the misinformation sticks even when proven wrong people believe it. So the damage is done

If the support was given when it should have been you would be your house that ev would have taken off even more and all these "issues" would be completely gone

Ah well. I don't regret my decision otherwise I wouldn't have carried on driving them

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Inconvenience or indeed convenience will be different for each person depending on their circumstances

There is about 40% of households that don’t have off road parking - it’s an “inconvenience” for those households to owning a full EV because of the challenges with charging the car

Yeah I'd say don't get an EV if you can't home charge or maybe have free work place charging. But he was talking about having to charge on the go, given the rubbish about blaming stops on the kids.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yeah I'd say don't get an EV if you can't home charge or maybe have free work place charging. But he was talking about having to charge on the go, given the rubbish about blaming stops on the kids.

Guy at work doesn't have home charging. He's decided to lease an EV through work and have a petrol station 5 mins walk from home. With charging there. He will top Up once a month and then go get it. Doesn't see It as a major hurdle

Each to their own

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Guy at work doesn't have home charging. He's decided to lease an EV through work and have a petrol station 5 mins walk from home. With charging there. He will top Up once a month and then go get it. Doesn't see It as a major hurdle

Each to their own

Yeah it's the cost of public charging that annoys me not the actual time taken, my local Sainsbury's has plenty of rapids you could use while shopping so no inconvenience there . As you've seen in France for example it's way cheaper.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Yeah I'd say don't get an EV if you can't home charge or maybe have free work place charging. But he was talking about having to charge on the go, given the rubbish about blaming stops on the kids.

Our work charging is expensive , the local supermarkets have them in town

There is a a cheap charger station about 5 miles away on the a5

the hybrid is our solution currently

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Yeah it's the cost of public charging that annoys me not the actual time taken, my local Sainsbury's has plenty of rapids you could use while shopping so no inconvenience there . As you've seen in France for example it's way cheaper.

France was amazing for price. Same price as our home electric would be.

Unfortunately vat is charged at 20% on rapid charging and 5% at home so that doesn't help

 

[cliveb]

Yeah I don't blame her if you have an issue like that it puts you off. Even when fixed you want rid .

I think you have possibly misunderstood. There's nothing wrong with the car we gave her. It just needed a new cambelt as per the service schedule soon after She got it. She was a bit miffed about the cost. Now it's done, she's happily using the car for long journeys. Any journey that can be done without needing to use a public charger is in the MG.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

I think you have possibly misunderstood. There's nothing wrong with the car we gave her. It just needed a new cambelt as per the service schedule soon after She got it. She was a bit miffed about the cost. Now it's done, she's happily using the car for long journeys. Any journey that can be done without needing to use a public charger is in the MG.

No I mean I can't blame her for not wanting to use the MG and that was the one that had the issues with the gridserve charger

 

[cliveb]

No I mean I can't blame her for not wanting to use the MG and that was the one that had the issues with the gridserve charger

Ah right, I now see what you were getting at.
Yes, the experience of having her car bricked was very traumatic (compounded by the fact it meant she missed her cousin's wedding as a result).
I suspect that when the lease is up, she'll never ever consider another MG.
The fact it was a known issue that just needed a software update but the car wasn't recalled is just inexcusable.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Ah right, I now see what you were getting at.
Yes, the experience of having her car bricked was very traumatic (compounded by the fact it meant she missed her cousin's wedding as a result).
I suspect that when the lease is up, she'll never ever consider another MG.
The fact it was a known issue that just needed a software update but the car wasn't recalled is just inexcusable.

Fully agree. If you know an issue it should be fixed.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

If you get a new one, that’s not the current shape anymore.

We are looking to get a 2024 Enyak later this year. For used ones 2024 is the generation which preheats the battery for charging and is taking the newest software.

Just heard from the dealer that it is the facelift model and is already with them just waiting for tusker to give the green light for it to be driven out to me.

Only 1 week since order so far so that's good. Could be here anytime really

 

[Hobbit]

Had an interesting chat with a senior fire officer last evening. I know it been done previously in the thread, from all angles, but it was interesting to hear it first hand.

Basically, if an EV is on fire, and it is the battery that’s deemed to be compromised, their instruction is not to go anywhere near it and just let it burn itself out. The miracle solution, apparently, is to grab it and put it in a huge tank of water.

His view, i.e. that of an expert, is the disruption to traffic and damage to the infrastructure they cause is disproportionate when compared to ICE vehicles. He’s not for banning them, recognising the need for progress, but he does hope the insurance premiums reflect the disruption & damage.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Had an interesting chat with a senior fire officer last evening. I know it been done previously in the thread, from all angles, but it was interesting to hear it first hand.

Basically, if an EV is on fire, and it is the battery that’s deemed to be compromised, their instruction is not to go anywhere near it and just let it burn itself out. The miracle solution, apparently, is to grab it and put it in a huge tank of water.

His view, i.e. that of an expert, is the disruption to traffic and damage to the infrastructure they cause is disproportionate when compared to ICE vehicles. He’s not for banning them, recognising the need for progress, but he does hope the insurance premiums reflect the disruption & damage.

Whilst all true statistics backs up that EVs are far less likely to catch fire in the first place considering an internal combustion engine is just that.. a series a small explosions to move.

"EV FireSafe, funded by Australia’s Department of Defence, has managed to verify fewer than 500 electric car battery fires. Ever. Out of 20m EVs worldwide. That’s 80-odd times rarer than an ICE car fire. If it were a frequent risk, it’d be reflected in insurance premiums. It isn’t."

From this article

Mythbusting the world of EVs: are electric cars susceptible to catching fire? | Top Gear https://share.google/K7wGuSB3o74n0cJTj

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Had an interesting chat with a senior fire officer last evening. I know it been done previously in the thread, from all angles, but it was interesting to hear it first hand.

Basically, if an EV is on fire, and it is the battery that’s deemed to be compromised, their instruction is not to go anywhere near it and just let it burn itself out. The miracle solution, apparently, is to grab it and put it in a huge tank of water.

His view, i.e. that of an expert, is the disruption to traffic and damage to the infrastructure they cause is disproportionate when compared to ICE vehicles. He’s not for banning them, recognising the need for progress, but he does hope the insurance premiums reflect the disruption & damage.

A battery fire is not great but I suspect it’s prob not as “common” as a standard ICE engine fire ?

Not sure about when it’s a crash though

 

[Hobbit]

Whilst all true statistics backs up that EVs are far less likely to catch fire in the first place considering an internal combustion engine is just that.. a series a small explosions to move.

"EV FireSafe, funded by Australia’s Department of Defence, has managed to verify fewer than 500 electric car battery fires. Ever. Out of 20m EVs worldwide. That’s 80-odd times rarer than an ICE car fire. If it were a frequent risk, it’d be reflected in insurance premiums. It isn’t."

From this article

Mythbusting the world of EVs: are electric cars susceptible to catching fire? | Top Gear https://share.google/K7wGuSB3o74n0cJTj

Blah, blah, blah…

Maybe less proportionally catch fire but it’s the disproportionate damage that he was highlighting. You want to argue against a senior fire officer with first hand experience? I’m inclined to think your rose tinted spectacles are too rose tinted.

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Had an interesting chat with a senior fire officer last evening. I know it been done previously in the thread, from all angles, but it was interesting to hear it first hand.

Basically, if an EV is on fire, and it is the battery that’s deemed to be compromised, their instruction is not to go anywhere near it and just let it burn itself out. The miracle solution, apparently, is to grab it and put it in a huge tank of water.

His view, i.e. that of an expert, is the disruption to traffic and damage to the infrastructure they cause is disproportionate when compared to ICE vehicles. He’s not for banning them, recognising the need for progress, but he does hope the insurance premiums reflect the disruption & damage.

All a bit GB news to be honest. Statistically way less likely to be involved in fires . Batteries have multiple safety system and fires are rare. No more to insure my EV than my previous cars.
The most recent huge disruption I can think of caused by a vehicle fire was at Luton, that was caused by a range rover sport diesel.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Blah, blah, blah…

Maybe less proportionally catch fire but it’s the disproportionate damage that he was highlighting. You want to argue against a senior fire officer with first hand experience? I’m inclined to think your rose tinted spectacles are too rose tinted.

Im not even arguing hobbit. Rather than dismissing What's been said read the article and read the reply.

I admitted everything he said was correct however statistics and studies prove that they are far less likely to catch fire in the first place.

"Fire risk from electric vehicles (EVs) has been a persistent concern since the early days of modern EVs, fueled by online and mainstream media misinformation.

However, current research indicates that the chance of an electric vehicle catching fire is considerably lower than for an internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle which uses petrol or diesel.

There is only a 0.0012% chance of an EV catching fire, compared to a 0.1% chance of a petrol or diesel vehicle catching fire.
Between 2010 and 2024, there were 511 fires involving high voltage batteries worldwide.
The most effective way to put out an EV battery fire is water. "

Are electric vehicles a fire risk? - Energy Saving Trust https://share.google/FV1UqUey9IehEqmzx

Again not even dismissing your friends insight

Read what you want I litterally don't care

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Reading Hobbits point - I believe he is talking about the damage from an EV when there is a fire as opposed to the frequency


A lithium battery fire isn’t great at all and will cause a lot more damage than a standard ice engine fire

 

[Deleted member 35927]

Reading Hobbits point - I believe he is talking about the damage from an EV when there is a fire as opposed to the frequency


A lithium battery fire isn’t great at all and will cause a lot more damage than a standard ice engine fire

The Luton fire will likely cost hundreds of millions when all is told. I'm sorry it's just more anti EV nonsnse.