Tax and Benefits Cuts

jusme said:
Your welcome. DLA is a disability benefit paid to anyone regardless of income. Carers allowance is as stated. Neither are base benefits and assuming both are out of work both are likely entitled and I am sure receiving other base benefits. I say likely as there are exceptions but these are very very rare and almost everyone on DLA would be on ESA. The carer if ill also is likely to be on ESA and if not ill then income support or JSA.

JSA - job seekers allowance is for those that are actively seeking work or fit for work. You may know it as 'dole'
ESA - replaced the old incapacity benefit and is for those who are sick/ill and are unable to work for anything ranging from months to for ever. It covers everything from short term illnesses to permanent and unchanging conditions. It's a more complex benefit than the old incapacity.

EVERYONE who is not working (assuming they are claiming welfare) is on a base benefit - including both your sister and BIL. DLA and carers allowance are not base benefits. They are supplementary to base. Ask away if unclear or further questions arise. Best of luck.
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Many thanks - is DLA the same as PIP?

Also my understanding is that neither DLA/PIP or Carers Allowance are means-tested. As it happens neither are in work - and my sister (the carer) is not ill and neither are actively seeking employment. By not actively seeking work does that mean they would not get any of the base benefits?
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Many thanks - is DLA the same as PIP?

Also my understanding is that neither DLA/PIP or Carers Allowance are means-tested. As it happens neither are in work - and my sister (the carer) is not ill and neither are actively seeking employment. By not actively seeking work does that mean they would not get any of the base benefits?
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Yes. PIP is replacing DLA overtime. New claimants will be applying for PIP. Old claimants will be moved over from DLA to PIP in stages. Correct as in none means tested. Only JSA requires you to be actively seeking work - and many on JSA are 'pretending' they are actively seeking work to fulfill the conditions placed on them. The person getting DLA will almost certainly be getting ESA - not fit for work if claiming ESA. Not wanting work or seeking work is not the same as the goverment's view of 'actively fit for work. The carer as not ill and if under pension age should be getting JSA or if she states is unable to work as a result of caring duties is therefore eligible for or receiving income support. Universal credit is rolling out also and for new claimants it replaces all base benefits. Like PIP it will roll out to everyone in stages.

Long and short of it - no matter what they say, they ARE NOT getting only DLA and carers allowance. In my 30 years in social welfare work I have yet to see this happen, or I should say entitled to. Choosing to decline what they are entitled to, for some odd reason??
 
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jusme said:
Yes. PIP is replacing DLA overtime. New claimants will be applying for PIP. Old claimants will be moved over from DLA to PIP in stages. Correct as in none means tested. Only JSA requires you to be actively seeking work - and many on JSA are 'pretending' they are actively seeking work to fulfill the conditions placed on them. The person getting DLA will almost certainly be getting ESA - not fit for work if claiming ESA. Not wanting work or seeking work is not the same as the goverment's view of 'actively fit for work. The carer as not ill and if under pension age should be getting JSA or if she states is unable to work as a result of caring duties is therefore eligible for or receiving income support. Universal credit is rolling out also and for new claimants it replaces all base benefits. Like PIP it will roll out to everyone in stages.

Long and short of it - no matter what they say, they ARE NOT getting only DLA and carers allowance. In my 30 years in social welfare work I have yet to see this happen, or I should say entitled to. Choosing to decline what they are entitled to, for some odd reason??
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Many thanks again. So even if neither are seeking employment (for whatever reason - let's not go there) my sister's claim that they are getting - in total - under £100 a week between them is frankly - tosh! Separately they get their housing association house (tiny) rent paid in full, and the majority of their council tax. Methinks (yet another) conversation with my sis is - imminent :confused::angry:

Doesn't change my view that cutting income tax is wrong at a time of austerity; when food and power costs are escalating; and when benefits are being cut (in general)
 
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SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Many thanks again. So even if neither are seeking employment (for whatever reason - let's not go there) my sister's claim that they are getting - in total - under £100 a week between them is frankly - tosh! Separately they get their housing association house (tiny) rent paid in full, and the majority of their council tax. Methinks (yet another) conversation with my sis is - imminent :confused::angry:

Doesn't change my view that cutting income tax is wrong at a time of austerity; when food and power costs are escalating; and when benefits are being cut (in general)
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I entirely agree with your policy statement in your last sentence, and, sorry to say yes, your families statement is complete tosh, as you put it. You have given me the final piece in the jigsaw. The fact they now get housing benefit and council tax benefit moves me from 99.9% certainty (the 0.1 is there for exceptional circumstances) to 100% that they are getting either ESA (most likely) and her possibly IS or JSA. If they are relatively new claimants then universal credit is also possible. It doesn't matter which, I assure you they are getting one or more of the aforementioned. The reason for certainty now is that neither DLA or CA alone are qualifying benefits for housing benefit or council tax benefit. You MUST be on a qualifying benefit (IS, ESA, JSA etc) to receive housing benefit and/or council tax benefit. There you go that simple.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but as stated at the start, NO COUPLE are living on £100 per week. That is simply a lie. They are omitting income if you have asked - that you can now be CERTAIN of.
 
jusme said:
I entirely agree with your policy statement in your last sentence, and, sorry to say yes, your families statement is complete tosh, as you put it. You have given me the final piece in the jigsaw. The fact they now get housing benefit and council tax benefit moves me from 99.9% certainty (the 0.1 is there for exceptional circumstances) to 100% that they are getting either ESA (most likely) and her possibly IS or JSA. If they are relatively new claimants then universal credit is also possible. It doesn't matter which, I assure you they are getting one or more of the aforementioned. The reason for certainty now is that neither DLA or CA alone are qualifying benefits for housing benefit or council tax benefit. You MUST be on a qualifying benefit (IS, ESA, JSA etc) to receive housing benefit and/or council tax benefit. There you go that simple.

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but as stated at the start, NO COUPLE are living on £100 per week. That is simply a lie. They are omitting income if you have asked - that you can now be CERTAIN of.
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As it happens that's not bad news. It tells me that her manipulative and controlling husband is keeping most of the benefits they get, and giving her a pittance to live on. And because of who and how he is, my sister feels she has to spin the tale to cover for her lack of money.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
As it happens that's not bad news. It tells me that her manipulative and controlling husband is keeping most of the benefits they get, and giving her a pittance to live on. And because of who and how he is, my sister feels she has to spin the tale to cover for her lack of money.
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Well best of luck, I can imagine that's not easy to deal with. I've supported and assisted vulnerable people for almost 30 years in my own profession. I have a good idea as to the type of situation your sister is in. My best wishes
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
As it happens that's not bad news. It tells me that her manipulative and controlling husband is keeping most of the benefits they get, and giving her a pittance to live on. And because of who and how he is, my sister feels she has to spin the tale to cover for her lack of money.
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Facts or assumptions Hogie?

And if he is disabled, what sort of wild life is he funding...
 
Hobbit said:
Facts or assumptions Hogie?

And if he is disabled, what sort of wild life is he funding...
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They basically do not go out - at all - other than my sis going to the shops for food - and booze and fags for him. He is simply stashing the majority of what they get away in his own bank account. Put it this way. The benefits payments go into a joint account. He withdraws it all and puts it into his own personal account. I set up a personal account for my sister so her benefits could go into that, he demanded the on-line password and access to it - and so that was the end of that. And I know my sister gets diddly-squat to live on. When my mother was with us my sister would go out to Glasgow without even the return fare. My mother would buy clothes, inc basics such as underwear - and other little nice girlie things for her - and give her the fare back.

Many might feel inclined to call my sister a benefits scrounger - with her not even trying to get even a little job - she has a totally rubbish life - and that is not obvious to anyone but her immediate family.

She could leave him? She has nowhere to go.
 
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That benefits thing last night.... I stopped watching after 5 minutes as I thought the neighbors might be getting worried over my ranting at the TV. £500 down to £380 a week and they can't manage!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's more (a lot more) than I get!!!!! That bludy woman that had 7 kids scattered all over everywhere. Such a shame for the kids, but lets hope they are with people that might just teach them that it is better to work than live off the state as their "mother" would have. Evil witch!
 
And I am afraid many will be complaining like fury that they will not be able to afford their holiday abroad - now that the Supreme Court has ruled against Jon Platt.

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...rm-time-holidays-jon-platt-unauthorised-break

I am afraid, and it is a rather cynical view which I don't like holding, that it is the parent's sense of entitlement to a holiday abroad that drives them to take their children out of school during term time. Because a simple holiday in the UK is just not good enough - though in most cases I suspect that the children wouldn't care. And if they did - then they need to have their expectations reset - as @SR correctly says - start correcting asap their expectations and feelings of entitlement brought about through 'learned behaviour'. Sort that 'learned behaviour'.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And I am afraid many will be complaining like fury that they will not be able to afford their holiday abroad - now that the Supreme Court has ruled against Jon Platt.

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...rm-time-holidays-jon-platt-unauthorised-break

I am afraid, and it is a rather cynical view which I don't like holding, that it is the parent's sense of entitlement to a holiday abroad that drives them to take their children out of school during term time. Because a simple holiday in the UK is just not good enough - though in most cases I suspect that the children wouldn't care. And if they did - then they need to have their expectations reset - as @SR correctly says - start correcting asap their expectations and feelings of entitlement brought about through 'learned behaviour'. Sort that 'learned behaviour'.
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Or is it the holiday companies exploiting parents that drives some parents to take kids out during term time? And what is wrong with having ambitions and aspirations?

At least, post-Brexit, we'll all holiday in the UK.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
And I am afraid many will be complaining like fury that they will not be able to afford their holiday abroad - now that the Supreme Court has ruled against Jon Platt.

https://www.theguardian.com/educati...rm-time-holidays-jon-platt-unauthorised-break

I am afraid, and it is a rather cynical view which I don't like holding, that it is the parent's sense of entitlement to a holiday abroad that drives them to take their children out of school during term time. Because a simple holiday in the UK is just not good enough - though in most cases I suspect that the children wouldn't care. And if they did - then they need to have their expectations reset - as @SR correctly says - start correcting asap their expectations and feelings of entitlement brought about through 'learned behaviour'. Sort that 'learned behaviour'.
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Maybe we could begin by sorting your 'Learned Behavior'

Lesson One:
Accept that you will not always get your own way in life and being petulant will not change that.
Accept that democracy is not perfect but is the best system we have available and being petulant will not change that.
Accept that you may think you know better than others how they make decisions but you probably don't and being petulant will not change that.

Here endeth lesson one. Other lessons to follow soon on a Golf Forum like this.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
They basically do not go out - at all - other than my sis going to the shops for food - and booze and fags for him. He is simply stashing the majority of what they get away in his own bank account. Put it this way. The benefits payments go into a joint account. He withdraws it all and puts it into his own personal account. I set up a personal account for my sister so her benefits could go into that, he demanded the on-line password and access to it - and so that was the end of that. And I know my sister gets diddly-squat to live on. When my mother was with us my sister would go out to Glasgow without even the return fare. My mother would buy clothes, inc basics such as underwear - and other little nice girlie things for her - and give her the fare back.

Many might feel inclined to call my sister a benefits scrounger - with her not even trying to get even a little job - she has a totally rubbish life - and that is not obvious to anyone but her immediate family.

She could leave him? She has nowhere to go.
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Hang on SILH.

I'm not going to disagree with any of this but can you see how swiftly you've changed your argument? Is there any risk that you're potentially jumping from one extreme point of view to another, without considering the facts? You need to slow down your decision making. A minute ago the tory gov was at fault, now it's your sisters husband.
 
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