Tax and Benefits Cuts

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And so this week tax and benefits cuts kick in.

I calculate that me and my Mrs - both in full time employment with good salaries - will be about £50 a month better off.

I calculate that my sister and her husband - he is disabled on PIP and she is his carer on carer allowance - will be about £50 a week WORSE off.

The additional £50/week we get will make no difference to our standard of living

The £50 a week cut my sister and her husband suffer reduces their income by ONE THIRD from £150/week to about £100/week

Frankly that is disgusting and quite abhorrent - particularly as we know that Brexit will simply extend and intensify austerity cuts. And who will suffer most from these cuts. Not my wife and I.

Tax and Benefits cuts are choices that this Tory government has decided to make. Somebody justify. Because I see absolutely none.

 

[bobmac]

Give your £50 to them then

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Give your £50 to them then

Oh how very funny. Inevitable.

And your justification for the cuts?

 

[ger147]

No tax cuts for me, I'll be paying approximately 4 grand extra tax this year and then about another 2 grand extra tax on top of that the year after.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No tax cuts for me, I'll be paying approximately 4 grand extra tax this year and then about another 2 grand extra tax on top of that the year after.

That wouldn't have been in the plan - as neither was the cut in joint income from £7500 a year to £5000 a year that my sister and hubby have suffered

 

[PhilTheFragger]

- particularly as we know that Brexit will simply extend and intensify austerity cuts.

No we dont

Nobody knows
even the people involved in the Brexit Negotiations dont know doodly squat yet

I do however agree that there should be a proper safety net in place for those that do need state assistance and that in certain cases it is the most vulnerable in society who are coming off worst, the assessment process is arbitrary and is subjective and needs looking at.

One of the reasons benefits have been hit is to entice those families for whom benefits has been a way of life for generations, off benefits and into work. this is working, but it is a balancing act and they havnt got it right yet

 

[Deleted member 16999]

And so this week tax and benefits cuts kick in.

I calculate that me and my Mrs - both in full time employment with good salaries - will be about £50 a month better off.

I calculate that my sister and her husband - he is disabled on PIP and she is his carer on carer allowance - will be about £50 a week WORSE off.

The additional £50/week we get will make no difference to our standard of living

The £50 a week cut my sister and her husband suffer reduces their income by ONE THIRD from £150/week to about £100/week

Frankly that is disgusting and quite abhorrent - particularly as we know that Brexit will simply extend and intensify austerity cuts. And who will suffer most from these cuts. Not my wife and I.

Tax and Benefits cuts are choices that this Tory government has decided to make. Somebody justify. Because I see absolutely none.

Are you sure about your figures?
Carers Allowance for 2017/18 is £62.70 per week, a rise of 60p per week from last year, that means you are saying PIP has been cut from £88.00 per week to £38.00 per week and it hasn't!
The 2 lower components of PIP are still about £80.00 per week

 

[Old Skier]

His figures were wrong on the other thread, but hay ho, let's not stop a tear jerking rant.

 

[Hobbit]

And so this week tax and benefits cuts kick in.

I calculate that me and my Mrs - both in full time employment with good salaries - will be about £50 a month better off.

I calculate that my sister and her husband - he is disabled on PIP and she is his carer on carer allowance - will be about £50 a week WORSE off.

The additional £50/week we get will make no difference to our standard of living

The £50 a week cut my sister and her husband suffer reduces their income by ONE THIRD from £150/week to about £100/week

Frankly that is disgusting and quite abhorrent - particularly as we know that Brexit will simply extend and intensify austerity cuts. And who will suffer most from these cuts. Not my wife and I.

Tax and Benefits cuts are choices that this Tory government has decided to make. Somebody justify. Because I see absolutely none.

What is the point of anyone trying to justify them to you. 1) you aren't even close to being of a Tory persuasion, and 2) as we've seen from the Brexit thread you have a very closed mind to any type of reasoned argument. You often shift the focus of your subsidiary arguments as people provide evidence of your inaccuracies.

No we dont

Nobody knows
even the people involved in the Brexit Negotiations dont know doodly squat yet

I do however agree that there should be a proper safety net in place for those that do need state assistance and that in certain cases it is the most vulnerable in society who are coming off worst, the assessment process is arbitrary and is subjective and needs looking at.

One of the reasons benefits have been hit is to entice those families for whom benefits has been a way of life for generations, off benefits and into work. this is working, but it is a balancing act and they havnt got it right yet

Now stop being sensible, it doesn't support his agenda.

 

[Old Skier]

And your justification for the cuts?

Someone has to pay for those buses.

 

[bobmac]

Im still trying to work out if SILH is £50 a week or a month better off

 

[jusme]

And so this week tax and benefits cuts kick in.

I calculate that me and my Mrs - both in full time employment with good salaries - will be about £50 a month better off.

I calculate that my sister and her husband - he is disabled on PIP and she is his carer on carer allowance - will be about £50 a week WORSE off.

The additional £50/week we get will make no difference to our standard of living

The £50 a week cut my sister and her husband suffer reduces their income by ONE THIRD from £150/week to about £100/week

Frankly that is disgusting and quite abhorrent - particularly as we know that Brexit will simply extend and intensify austerity cuts. And who will suffer most from these cuts. Not my wife and I.

Tax and Benefits cuts are choices that this Tory government has decided to make. Somebody justify. Because I see absolutely none.

How are you reaching this £50 a week cut. I work in this field and I am struggling to see how you reach this amount. Are one or both on the work related group of ESA?

 

[SocketRocket]

I believe you previously said your sister and BIL live in Scotland where the devolved government have the ability to set welfare rates. Why are you not knocking the Scottish Government?

 

[Tashyboy]

No we dont

Nobody knows
even the people involved in the Brexit Negotiations dont know doodly squat yet

I do however agree that there should be a proper safety net in place for those that do need state assistance and that in certain cases it is the most vulnerable in society who are coming off worst, the assessment process is arbitrary and is subjective and needs looking at.

One of the reasons benefits have been hit is to entice those families for whom benefits has been a way of life for generations, off benefits and into work. this is working, but it is a balancing act and they havnt got it right yet

That last paragraph hits the nail on the head. Quite frankly I think successive governments have failed in tackling a generation plus of lazy people who have got by on benefits, which has been encouraged by successive governments of all three parties enabling people to survive on benefits alone. Before anyone starts banging a drum, I do not class disability benefits as part of my last statement. But having worked in the mining industry for 36 years I can assure you that some disability benefits want looking at as well.
There is something seriously wrong, when in this day and age single mothers who do not work and have no intentions of working, have a lifestyle which includes Sky and other luxuries when others ( ie the ops relatives ) struggle to get by. Obviously there will be one or two upset by my mention of single mums. Well pm me and I will take you round to see my youngest daughter who fits into that last category rather nicely.

 

[Norrin Radd]

Are you sure about your figures?
Carers Allowance for 2017/18 is £62.70 per week, a rise of 60p per week from last year, that means you are saying PIP has been cut from £88.00 per week to £38.00 per week and it hasn't!
The 2 lower components of PIP are still about £80.00 per week

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as I receive pip I can assure you that £80 isnt one of the lower components ,I get £55 per week ,add that to my £73.10p per week and that is all i get to live on since my injury .

 

[Deleted member 16999]

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as I receive pip I can assure you that £80 isnt one of the lower components ,I get £55 per week ,add that to my £73.10p per week and that is all i get to live on since my injury .

I meant the 2 lower components added together make about £80.00 not one of them, sorry for confusion :thup:
Add that to the carers allowance and I make that £140+, hence confusion with op's statement.

 

[Norrin Radd]

I meant the 2 lower components added together make about £80.00 not one of them, sorry for confusion :thup:
Add that to the carers allowance and I make that £140+, hence confusion with op's statement.

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confusion no more :thup:

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

No we dont

Nobody knows
even the people involved in the Brexit Negotiations dont know doodly squat yet

I do however agree that there should be a proper safety net in place for those that do need state assistance and that in certain cases it is the most vulnerable in society who are coming off worst, the assessment process is arbitrary and is subjective and needs looking at.

One of the reasons benefits have been hit is to entice those families for whom benefits has been a way of life for generations, off benefits and into work. this is working, but it is a balancing act and they havnt got it right yet

..and so have prices I the shops not actually started to go up - and are predicted to continue to rise as the fall in the pound impacts imported foodstuffs

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I believe you previously said your sister and BIL live in Scotland where the devolved government have the ability to set welfare rates. Why are you not knocking the Scottish Government?

That's a pretty silly pivot and attempt to ignore the question as it's not a justification at all. As my sister and her husband receive UK gov benefits let's just for a moment imagine that my sister does not live in Scotland but lives south of the border. And your justification is?

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Are you sure about your figures?
Carers Allowance for 2017/18 is £62.70 per week, a rise of 60p per week from last year, that means you are saying PIP has been cut from £88.00 per week to £38.00 per week and it hasn't!
The 2 lower components of PIP are still about £80.00 per week

Carers allowance is capped at £62.10 week if 35hrs caring assessed to be required and is reduced pro rata accordingly. Quoting from gov.uk

You could get £62.10 a week if you care for someone at least 35 hours a week and they get certain benefits.

And on PIP

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) helps with some of the extra costs caused by long-term ill-health or a disability if you’re aged 16 to 64.

You could get between £21.80 and £139.75 a week.

The rate depends on how your condition affects you, not the condition itself.