Tax and Benefits Cuts

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Im still trying to work out if SILH is £50 a week or a month better off

What is difficult to understand...quoting from my OP

I calculate that me and my Mrs - both in full time employment with good salaries - will be about £50 a month better off.

I calculate that my sister and her husband - he is disabled on PIP and she is his carer on carer allowance - will be about £50 a week WORSE off.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Carers allowance is capped at £62.10 week if 35hrs caring assessed to be required and is reduced pro rata accordingly. Quoting from gov.uk

You could get £62.10 a week if you care for someone at least 35 hours a week and they get certain benefits.

And on PIP

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) helps with some of the extra costs caused by long-term ill-health or a disability if you’re aged 16 to 64.

You could get between £21.80 and £139.75 a week.

The rate depends on how your condition affects you, not the condition itself.

Fully aware how these benefits work and if they've lost £50.00 per week it's because they've been reassessed or something, those benefits have not been cut, both benefits have seen a pathetic tiny increase.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

How are you reaching this £50 a week cut. I work in this field and I am struggling to see how you reach this amount. Are one or both on the work related group of ESA?

My sister's husband went through a PIP assessment and as a result of that they have seen the reduction fropm about £150/week to about £100/week

 

[Deleted member 16999]

My sister's husband went through a PIP assessment and as a result of that they have seen the reduction fropm about £150/week to about £100/week

That's totally different to how your OP came across, everyone on PIP can be reassessed.
He can also appeal the decision.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That last paragraph hits the nail on the head. Quite frankly I think successive governments have failed in tackling a generation plus of lazy people who have got by on benefits, which has been encouraged by successive governments of all three parties enabling people to survive on benefits alone. Before anyone starts banging a drum, I do not class disability benefits as part of my last statement. But having worked in the mining industry for 36 years I can assure you that some disability benefits want looking at as well.
There is something seriously wrong, when in this day and age single mothers who do not work and have no intentions of working, have a lifestyle which includes Sky and other luxuries when others ( ie the ops relatives ) struggle to get by. Obviously there will be one or two upset by my mention of single mums. Well pm me and I will take you round to see my youngest daughter who fits into that last category rather nicely.

My B-I-L is disabled and my sister is his registered carer. So the whole thing about lazy people avoiding work and single mums etc etc is just a diversion when some of the truths of benefit cuts are difficult - especially when they are happening at the same time as tax cuts and rising food and power costs - these clearly impacting the poorer proportionately MUCH harder.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

That's totally different to how your OP came across, everyone on PIP can be reassessed.
He can also appeal the decision.

PIP and the related assessments are government policy are they not? I do not know if they are appealing. Nonetheless it is interesting that it is deemed OK that they can have an immediate cut in income of one third to under £14 a day - at the same time as the better off are getting a tax cut - of an amount that will make little difference - if any - to their quality of life.

It's is that juxtaposition that to me stinks

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

What is the point of anyone trying to justify them to you. 1) you aren't even close to being of a Tory persuasion, and 2) as we've seen from the Brexit thread you have a very closed mind to any type of reasoned argument. You often shift the focus of your subsidiary arguments as people provide evidence of your inaccuracies.



Now stop being sensible, it doesn't support his agenda.

What agenda might that be - caring for the less well off of our society - if that's my agenda then I'm happy to go with it. I have stated what I think on this. Meanwhile - what's your thinking on the wealthy getting tax cuts at the same time as benefits are being cut when food and energy prices are going up?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

PIP and the related assessments are government policy are they not? I do not know if they are appealing. Nonetheless it is interesting that it is deemed OK that they can have an immediate cut in income of one third to under £14 a day - at the same time as the better off are getting a tax cut - of an amount that will make little difference - if any - to their quality of life.

It's is that juxtaposition that to me stinks

It's a disgrace the way it works, my wife receives PIP after suffering a Stroke and she is currently going through reassessment, the damage will never repair, but every 2 years she is put through the mill.

 

[SocketRocket]

What is difficult to understand...quoting from my OP

I calculate that me and my Mrs - both in full time employment with good salaries - will be about £50 a month better off.

I calculate that my sister and her husband - he is disabled on PIP and she is his carer on carer allowance - will be about £50 a week WORSE off.

This is difficult to understand. You posted:

"The additional £50/week we get will make no difference to our standard of living"

 

[SocketRocket]

That's a pretty silly pivot and attempt to ignore the question as it's not a justification at all. As my sister and her husband receive UK gov benefits let's just for a moment imagine that my sister does not live in Scotland but lives south of the border. And your justification is?

That she lives in Scotland and Scotland has devolved powers on welfare. You have suggested that Scotland is a more socially aware country so why are they not giving more support to your sister.

I don't really want to delve into your Sisters finances but I assume She and her Husband get other benefits like help with council tax and any housing costs. Our Government get a lot of criticism from people like you but maybe you should look at many EU countries and how they care for their disabled.

 

[ger147]

What agenda might that be - caring for the less well off of our society - if that's my agenda then I'm happy to go with it. I have stated what I think on this. Meanwhile - what's your thinking on the wealthy getting tax cuts at the same time as benefits are being cut when food and energy prices are going up?

What tax cuts? My tax bill is going up, quite considerably as it happens...

 

[Three]

I've not read any posts and have gone straight to the end, so no disrespect meant to any genuine cases...

However, having worked and lived abroad for many years, including in some very low economies, some of the benefit-claiming culture in the UK is nothing short of embarrassing.
We live in a land where there is no excuse for poverty, no excuse for poor health that is solely due to lifestyle choices, and frankly speaking no excuse for many of the benefits that seemingly unworthy people, including members of my own family, feel they are entitled to.

 

[SocketRocket]

I've not read any posts and have gone straight to the end, so no disrespect meant to any genuine cases...

However, having worked and lived abroad for many years, including in some very low economies, some of the benefit-claiming culture in the UK is nothing short of embarrassing.
We live in a land where there is no excuse for poverty, no excuse for poor health that is solely due to lifestyle choices, and frankly speaking no excuse for many of the benefits that seemingly unworthy people, including members of my own family, feel they are entitled to.

Exactly. You can understand the pull factor of Eastern EU and Asian people wanting to live in the UK and why we are spending so much on Welfare and have such a massive national debt.

 

[MegaSteve]

Unfortunately, even though they'll go into denial, the majority that moan/complain about the welfare state believe all claimants are 'scroungers'...

You know who you are...

 

[SocketRocket]

Unfortunately, even though they'll go into denial, the majority that moan/complain about the welfare state believe all claimants are 'scroungers'...

You know who you are...

You are wrong when you state "all claimants" Even though it has been explained that some are genuine and need support you have decided to ignore that bit. I will turn your comment around then: Even though they'll go into denial, the majority that support the welfare state believe all claimants are not 'scroungers'...

 

[Three]

Unfortunately, even though they'll go into denial, the majority that moan/complain about the welfare state believe all claimants are 'scroungers'...

You know who you are...

After living in many different countries all over the world, I believe that the ease with which people can claim free money in the UK encourages too many people to do so when they could actually go out and earn it instead.

 

[MegaSteve]

You are wrong when you state "all claimants" Even though it has been explained that some are genuine and need support you have decided to ignore that bit. I will turn your comment around then: Even though they'll go into denial, the majority that support the welfare state believe all claimants are not 'scroungers'...

I know which group I'd rather be in...

And, why did you feel the need to go into denial?

 

[MegaSteve]

After living in many different countries all over the world, I believe that the ease with which people can claim free money in the UK encourages too many people to do so when they could actually go out and earn it instead.

So, you wish to see the re-invention of work houses?

 

[Hobbit]

What agenda might that be - caring for the less well off of our society - if that's my agenda then I'm happy to go with it. I have stated what I think on this. Meanwhile - what's your thinking on the wealthy getting tax cuts at the same time as benefits are being cut when food and energy prices are going up?

If you care so much why don't you put the extra £50 a week into a charity of your choice? How much responsibility do you take for our society, or do you a abdicate that responsibility to the state then decry the state when it tries to balance the books and at the same time do the best it feels it can?

There's the socialist stance of taking money from people, pretty much everyone, surely you can remember the dark days of 33% income tax, and there's the Conservative stance of give money to as many as possible and let them take responsibility for society.

Do I agree with the wealthy getting tax cuts? The more money anyone has the more money they spend. And if its saved in stocks and shares its still feeding the economy. As for energy prices going up; surely you don't blame a political party for price rises? Next you be blaming the govt for putting the price of bread up, and for cereal price increases.

Do I have a social conscience? Serving at a soup kitchen on Christmas Day, and there's a CV that runs pages long. Put your £50 to good use, a choice this govt is giving you. Lets see how selfish you are...

 

[Three]

So, you wish to see the re-invention of work houses?

What, you mean people who can actually work have to do so instead of getting money for free when they're sitting on their backsides?
Ooohhh, terrible idea.....