Swing speed increase

[bobmac]

Why do you disagree?

Personal experience.
I reduced my distance off the tee to improve my dispersion.
I hit more fairways hit more greens and lowered my scores by at least 10 shots per round.
How much run do you get in the rough?
What chance do have of getting a lie good enough to spin the ball in the rough?
Do you always find your ball in the rough?

 

[TigerTime]

I disagree with every word of that but it is your opinion and you're entitled to it.

To be fair, the stats from millions of shots tracked around the world back that up.

 

[BubbaP]

To be fair, the stats from millions of shots tracked around the world back that up.

Yeah but RoW doesn't have British rough

 

[TigerTime]

Yeah but RoW doesn't have British rough

Also true. Although I can state if I added 20 yards to my game I'd be low single figures (currently 16) as the stats also tell me my short game and putting is on a par with a scratch handicap. Makes you think

 

[TigerTime]

One other thing I'd add, being long off the tee probably won't matter as much if you shank it. All it does will mask your poor technique really. I think it just shows there are no right or wrong ways to play golf.

Being a long hitter and having a decent short game will see you shoot low scores
Being an shorter/average hitter and having good technique will see you show low scores

Both work, I'm sure people can think of other combinations. Either way they are both routes to lower scores.

 

[Jason.H]

To hit the ball consistent distances one needs to find the centre (or close to) of the club face. This is what scratch golfers do. I play off 4 and rarely do 18 holes without a few miss hits. Average driver distance is way different to ones Sunday best.

 

[bobmac]

Being a long hitter and having a decent short game will see you shoot low scores
Being an shorter/average hitter and having good technique will see you show low scores

Both work, I'm sure people can think of other combinations. Either way they are both routes to lower scores.

I can...
Being a long wayward hitter and having a decent short game will not see you shoot low scores

 

[TigerTime]

I can...
Being a long wayward hitter and having a decent short game will not see you shoot low scores

But it does. The stats prove that. Not everyone else's fault you can only hit it 150 yards.

 

[bobmac]

But it does. The stats prove that. Not everyone else's fault you can only hit it 150 yards.

And yet my lowest h/cap was 2 before I turned pro, which kind of proves my point.
And it was 250 yards actually.

 

[Jason.H]

Also true. Although I can state if I added 20 yards to my game I'd be low single figures (currently 16) as the stats also tell me my short game and putting is on a par with a scratch handicap. Makes you think

You must be an outlier. In my opinion there is no 16 handicapper on earth that can match a scratch golfer in the short game and putting department.

 

[Backsticks]

This is not what Mark Broadie says who popularised the strokes gained concept.

It is exactly what he says, and he has been to the forefront in correcting some of the incorrect thing from the past, based now on concrete data. A theme that goes right through Every Shot Counts is "For amateur golfers, driving distance is even more important for scoring than driving accuracy". Combined with a turning on its head of another misconception from the past, we now know also that "Longer hitters tend to be straighter hitters". A fast swing speed not only hits the ball further, with the benefits from simply more yards, but faster swings are also better swings.

 

[Backsticks]

I disagree with every word of that but it is your opinion and you're entitled to it.

Its not my opinion. This is the current state of the the most informed analysis current, that has benefitted greatly from the data now being accumulated from the likes of Arcos, Shot Scope, and systematic studies and research.
(its not really something worth seriously getting into debate on. The matter is well settle at this stage from authoritative voices)

 

[Deleted member 31467]

I have yet to see someone hit a ball hard enough to go through a tree. Closest I've seen is a trick shot artist small a ball through a piece of MDF. You can't score well from the trees.

 

[Oddsocks]

You write some rubbish sometimes

I actually think I pee’d myself reading this!

Short, blunt and factual!

 

[Deleted member 21258]

OP, OP are you still there

Thought I would follow up on my post, I would suggest trying youtube and searching on speed training and would suggest buying yourself the cheapish blue radar . You dont need to buy expensive speedsticks things

I think this was the series I watched at the time, when I started it, well worth a watch :-

Long Drive Training - Ep. 1 - YouTube
Long Drive Training - Ep. 2 - YouTube
Long Drive Training - Ep. 3 - YouTube
Long Drive Training: Ep. 4 - YouTube
Long Drive Training: Ep. 5 - YouTube
Long Drive Training: Ep. 6 - YouTube
Long Drive Training: Ep. 7 - YouTube
Long Drive Training: Ep. 8 - YouTube
Long Drive Training: Ep. 9 (131 mph!) - YouTube
Long Drive Training: Episode 10 "Speed is Truth" - YouTube

 

[Deleted member 29109]

Personal experience.
I reduced my distance off the tee to improve my dispersion.
I hit more fairways hit more greens and lowered my scores by at least 10 shots per round.
How much run do you get in the rough?
What chance do have of getting a lie good enough to spin the ball in the rough?
Do you always find your ball in the rough?

How much distance were you giving up? Most people are not more accurate with a 3 wood or a long iron. So they will give up distance for no material increase in accuracy.

 

[Region3]

Also true. Although I can state if I added 20 yards to my game I'd be low single figures (currently 16) as the stats also tell me my short game and putting is on a par with a scratch handicap. Makes you think

I am low single figures. I can state if you took 20 yards off my game I wouldn’t go up to anywhere near 16. What makes you think it works the other way round?

 

[Bratty]

OP, OP are you still there

They've probably given up, because they asked for advice on swing speed training and a whole bunch of us decided to derail it and have a tit for tat nonsense back and forth about distance and such.
The OP posts they suffer from muscle wastage and yet we carry on trying to score points!
One of the worst cases of Forumitis I've witnessed in a long time.

 

[Backache]

It is exactly what he says, and he has been to the forefront in correcting some of the incorrect thing from the past, based now on concrete data. A theme that goes right through Every Shot Counts is "For amateur golfers, driving distance is even more important for scoring than driving accuracy". Combined with a turning on its head of another misconception from the past, we now know also that "Longer hitters tend to be straighter hitters". A fast swing speed not only hits the ball further, with the benefits from simply more yards, but faster swings are also better swings.

Driving distance is clearly important but it does not supercede all other factors.
A direct quote from Broadie.
'For amateur golfers driving distance is clearly important but I'd put something more important and that is avoiding the big miss.'

If your dispersion is risking lost ball/OB this supercedes gains from increased distance.

 

[Backsticks]

Driving distance is clearly important but it does not supercede all other factors.
A direct quote from Broadie.
'For amateur golfers driving distance is clearly important but I'd put something more important and that is avoiding the big miss.'

If your dispersion is risking lost ball/OB this supercedes gains from increased distance.

There is no conflict there. Certainly play to avoid penalty shots. But longer is still better. If there isnt a penalty area, then longer wins. And being longer gives more options to avoid penalty risks. He is very clear on it : distance = lower scores above all else. Similar the other analysts; Stagner, Fawcett, Mackenzie. I am surprised people are questioning this actually.