Suarez to Real....

[Papas1982]

The Charity Sheild is a pre season friendly - that's it. I'll cheers because we beat someone and win a game but certainly don't go dancing in streets because we won a pre season friendly and that's pretty much the same thinking for the majority of Liverpool fans I know and speak too

Yes the Mancs count them - because that enables them to sneak ahead of us - but it's not a major trophy and never will be

Have you had your recount yet ?

Saints recount? Yeah we're at one.

Interesting to to get your perspective, because when I google lfc trophies and follow the link to you website. Community is in your trophy list. I believe index it's called. Below the majors, but called a trophy non the less. Not a friendly, not a kick about. A friendly. I'm sure you know more lfc fans than me, but back when you won your 5 in 12 months, all of the ones I knew counted them as they were bleating about beating UTDs treble.

 

[Papas1982]

The Charity Shield is a glorified friendly - end off

And Rafa never won 5 in a year

It was Houllier who won 3 in a season - I don't count a friendly as a comp and never have done. Same with the Super Cup

It's league , FA , league cup , CL , UEFA and Cup Winners - have a recount

No need to have a recount, you have your opinion and me mine.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Saints recount? Yeah we're at one.

Interesting to to get your perspective, because when I google lfc trophies and follow the link to you website. Community is in your trophy list. I believe index it's called. Below the majors, but called a trophy non the less. Not a friendly, not a kick about. A friendly. I'm sure you know more lfc fans than me, but back when you won your 5 in 12 months, all of the ones I knew counted them as they were bleating about beating UTDs treble.

We never beat United treble - we did have one of our own back in 1984

Of course it's called a trophy because it's shiney and metal and handed out to the team that wins -

But it will never count for me regardless of how many times it's won - it was started to raise money for charities. Same as the Super Cup doesn't count - they are just glorified friendlies.

The recount of the major trophies excluding the glorified friendlies for both Liverpool and UTD

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No need to have a recount, you have your opinion and me mine.

It's nothing to do with opinion - even in your post the facts you post are incorrect.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Let's be honest the League cup isn't exactly very impressive.
Not for the top teams at least.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Let's be honest the League cup isn't exactly very impressive.
Not for the top teams at least.

:rofl:

Believe you have won it as much as you have the league and certainly mattered to your manager and you lot in 05

Just because in recent years some teams play second string and youngsters but for decades it was and still is a big trophy

You still had to beat all the top clubs in the league

And time to retire

 

[Papas1982]

It's nothing to do with opinion - even in your post the facts you post are incorrect.

Whoch fact would that be then phil?

your own website lists it as a trophy. Therefor it's been one. It has no asterisks by it.

You our don't count it, fair enough. Maybe that's because Liverpool have one so many you can be picky. But I would imagine supporters of 99% percent of other clubs would count it as a trophy.

So my opinion stands thanks.

 

[gmc40]

Whoch fact would that be then phil?

your own website lists it as a trophy. Therefor it's been one. It has no asterisks by it.

You our don't count it, fair enough. Maybe that's because Liverpool have one so many you can be picky. But I would imagine supporters of 99% percent of other clubs would count it as a trophy.

So my opinion stands thanks.

I must be in the 1% then. Technically it's a 'trophy' but I've always seen it as a 'friendly'. Same for the Super Cup.

I don't think they get the open top buses out for it do they?

 

[Papas1982]

I must be in the 1% then. Technically it's a 'trophy' but I've always seen it as a 'friendly'. Same for the Super Cup.

I don't think they get the open top buses out for it do they?

Seen plentybif big clubs win the FA and league cup and not have an open top bus either......

 

[SaintHacker]

Firstly apologies if I offended anyone with the 'racist' comment, probably shouldn't post after an afternoon in the pub garden

As for FFP, yes its unfair and will only make the gap between the top four or five bigger. Saints are a perfect example of why its flawed. For any business to grow it needs to invest. Saints can easily afford to pay good wages to keep/attract the players needed to push us up to the next level, but because of our relatively low income at the moment we're not allowed to, hence we start to see our best players being attracted to the bigger clubs who can pay what they want. Its a catch 22.

 

[Papas1982]

Firstly apologies if I offended anyone with the 'racist' comment, probably shouldn't post after an afternoon in the pub garden

As for FFP, yes its unfair and will only make the gap between the top four or five bigger. Saints are a perfect example of why its flawed. For any business to grow it needs to invest. Saints can easily afford to pay good wages to keep/attract the players needed to push us up to the next level, but because of our relatively low income at the moment we're not allowed to, hence we start to see our best players being attracted to the bigger clubs who can pay what they want. Its a catch 22.

do you really think Lallana and Shaw want to leave just because if money. If we could match whatever offers they have. They'd still leave for a better chance if trophies too. Same as when we but players from lower leagues. Money and success are key, we may have success. But far more likely at top 4/5 clubs.

 

[gmc40]

Seen plentybif big clubs win the FA and league cup and not have an open top bus either......

It was just a way of saying the two 'trophies' aren't held in as high regard i.e. you'd never see an open top bus for either of them.

 

[guest100718]

It was just a way of saying the two 'trophies' aren't held in as high regard i.e. you'd never see an open top bus for either of them.

Not for the league cup, but always for the FA

 

[gmc40]

Not for the league cup, but always for the FA

You've misread my posts I was talking about the Charity Shield and Super Cup.

 

[SaintHacker]

do you really think Lallana and Shaw want to leave just because if money. If we could match whatever offers they have. They'd still leave for a better chance if trophies too. Same as when we b
ut players from lower leagues. Money and success are key, we may have success. But far more likely at top 4/5 clubs.

Read my post again. Whilst we could offer them the same we aren't allowed to, so of course they're going to leave because of the money!

 

[Papas1982]

Read my post again. Whilst we could offer them the same we aren't allowed to, so of course they're going to leave because of the money!

Ffp only affects us IF we reach CL. Premierleague don't care at all. So we couod offer them as much as we want currently.
Do you honestly believe that if we were allowed to match whatever the others could Lallana would still stay?

Players want to play at their highest keel possible nowadays, obviously money comes with that. But let's not kid ourselves that players would turn turn down UTD or Liverpool for us if we all offered the same cash.

 

[SaintHacker]

If that's right then I stand corrected, as far as I was aware FFP affected all clubs in European competition, eg: all league clubs in Europe

 

[guest100718]

You've misread my posts I was talking about the Charity Shield and Super Cup.

Yeah I answered te wrong post

 

[Andy808]

 

[Duckster]

Firstly apologies if I offended anyone with the 'racist' comment, probably shouldn't post after an afternoon in the pub garden

As for FFP, yes its unfair and will only make the gap between the top four or five bigger. Saints are a perfect example of why its flawed. For any business to grow it needs to invest. Saints can easily afford to pay good wages to keep/attract the players needed to push us up to the next level, but because of our relatively low income at the moment we're not allowed to, hence we start to see our best players being attracted to the bigger clubs who can pay what they want. Its a catch 22.

Isn't FFP only for teams in Europe though? So it doesn't hit you at all.

*Edit - just seen some others mentioned this