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Suarez to Real....

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Foxholer said:
And Socket calls Fat Eck 'vague'!

As long as ManU get back into C/L next season, I don't believe it will affect them greatly - and they have the resources, reputation and infrastructure to make it happen (imo).

Liverpool, on the other hand, is rather less well endowed in depth (maybe not this next season after retirements?), so somewhat more fragile. If a sizeable offer for Suarez came along, it would be pretty tempting to cash in and create a more balanced quality team (and sort some of the defence out!). Though a (single?) major threat seems to be the recipe for success in BPL. Not only at the top level, but look how West Ham suffered when Carroll was injured and the difference when he returned - or Arsenal's yearly February/March injury woes! As long as they spend it a bit better than Spurs did with the Bale loot!
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Great deal of ifs and as long as in there

Man Utds squad is poor - their back four is worse than ours , they have nothing in the middle and will rely on a Dutchman who is falling apart and Rooney. They need a great deal of work - they could just as easily drift away like we did.

We are already building our squad up - three players look like the have signed already with the potential for three more to arrive. Those players will fill out the squad nicely plus a few youngsters returning after gaining some experience. We won't be able to compete with the spending of both Chelsea and City ( no one can ) so Rodgers will try and build on the great work from last season and strengthen the areas we need strengthening - Suarez is included in that building and regardless of how many rumours will be circulated by the red tops I expect him to stay.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
At time when money counts for a lot we haven't done too badly - quite happy knowing that the success we have on our honours board it's purely down to one person billions :thup:

Even from the 60's through to the 90's we were never always about buying the top stars - it has always been about buying the right player regardless of his standing or his price. We haven't ever been a club that is all about playing Football manager with a club

Even when we bought Torres he was a potential world star , Alonso , Reina plus many others turned into the pick of the crop playing for us.
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So what's the excuse before "one persons billions"?
PS.....Liverpool have tried playing football manager but it didn't work out too good ;)
 
Pin-seeker said:
So what's the excuse before "one persons billions"?
PS.....Liverpool have tried playing football manager but it didn't work out too good ;)
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We appointed Souness who made all the wrong choices and spent the 90's playing catch up.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Ok I'll spell it out - when we were in the CL we didn't appear to have many issues buying players despite not winning the league

When we failed to qualify for a few years we lost a fair number of players due to no CL and were turned down by a few also due to lack of CL ( but still picked up the odd star - Suarez a prime example )
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The bold bit is the key!

The Red tinted specs are well and truly on though! :rofl:

I agree that C/L is definitely more of an attraction/goal, for players, than 'winning the league'. For most/realistic fans, I believe it's the other way around (even Chelsea ones) - at least until the title is out of reach. That's the first target ManU has to have - though at whose expense?! Arsenal appears to be the 'weakest' to me, but has an uncanny knack of just making it!
 
Pin-seeker said:
Or maybe other teams just kicked on :thup:
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Souness tried to change the team too quickly - got rid of too many title winners in one season and tried too do what he did at Rangers and we nose dived - Man Utd took advantage of that and then built upon their early success , Blackburn had a splash and dash fleeting moment and Arsenal built from some very good management from Wenger. We hung around and had a couple of chances but couldn't get over the line.

But the trophies are still there in the cabinet and even though we haven't won the league for a while we have still kept the trophy count ticking over.

When it comes to success there is only one club that rivals us in England.
 
Foxholer said:
The bold bit is the key!

The Red tinted specs are well and truly on though! :rofl:

I agree that C/L is definitely more of an attraction/goal, for players, than 'winning the league'. For most/realistic fans, I believe it's the other way around (even Chelsea ones) - at least until the title is out of reach. That's the first target ManU has to have - though at whose expense?! Arsenal appears to be the 'weakest' to me, but has an uncanny knack of just making it!
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I'm trying to see what your reply has anything to do with what I posted or where the red tinted specs part comes into it ?!

Have you ever told us who you actually support ??
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Souness tried to change the team too quickly - got rid of too many title winners in one season and tried too do what he did at Rangers and we nose dived - Man Utd took advantage of that and then built upon their early success , Blackburn had a splash and dash fleeting moment and Arsenal built from some very good management from Wenger. We hung around and had a couple of chances but couldn't get over the line.

But the trophies are still there in the cabinet and even though we haven't won the league for a while we have still kept the trophy count ticking over.

When it comes to success there is only one club that surpasses us in England.
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fixed.
 
As an outsider looking in on the rivalry and comparison between so called fans of man utd and Liverpool it sometimes borders on the childish schoolboy, my phalanx is bigger than yours in the outside toilets.

as a city fan I have had gallons of abuse over the years from both sets of fans ranging from the light hearted to the nose to nose. Most of it has not bothered me. But and it's a massive but, when it comes to utd and Liverpool fans trying to have a civil discussion re there/one another's club, teams and players. Forget it. I can talk to most utd fans about both our clubs now we are on a level and the discussion of both clubs is usually quite civil. I can talk to Liverpool fans and the same happens but talk to Liverpool fans about utd and visa versa and a green eyed monster appears from both sets of fans.

why am I rambling on about about this now. I find it all quite amusing re the Suarez, lambert, Moyes affairs etc and fans from both clubs trying to give a unbiased opinion on one another's clubs yet wishing ill of one another's clubs at the same time.

would love to know where this comes from ladies and gents.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Only if you include charity shields

Major trophies and it is 41 each ( because you can include their FIFA Club thing )
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Trophies are trophies, when Rafa won five in a year I didn't hear Liverpool fans not including it.

For or me it's either league, fa cup, cl, uefa and cup winners. Or it's the lot, super cups, Mickey Mouse, world club etc.

So I'd have UTD on 62 pool on 59. Or UTD on 35 pool on 33.

For or me I'd go 62 for 59.

A troohy always counts when you win it. All fans love to win them.
 
Papas1982 said:
Trophies are trophies, when Rafa won five in a year I didn't hear Liverpool fans not including it.

For or me it's either league, fa cup, cl, uefa and cup winners. Or it's the lot, super cups, Mickey Mouse, world club etc.

So I'd have UTD on 62 pool on 59. Or UTD on 35 pool on 33.

For or me I'd go 62 for 59.

A troohy always counts when you win it. All fans love to win them.
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The Charity Shield is a glorified friendly - end off

And Rafa never won 5 in a year

It was Houllier who won 3 in a season - I don't count a friendly as a comp and never have done. Same with the Super Cup

It's league , FA , league cup , CL , UEFA and Cup Winners - have a recount ;)
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The Charity Shield is a glorified friendly - end off

And Rafa never won 5 in a year

It was Houllier who won 3 in a season - I don't count a friendly as a comp and never have done. Same with the Super Cup
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Of course it was, my bad (re houllier). Belive including your friendly comps it was 5. You may not have counted it, but plenty did. And as many a rangers fan will tell you. Trophies are trophies. If they get held aloft they count for me. So you may see it as you being ahead. But I don't. As I'm sure all UTD fans don't either. As to neutrals, well maybe they are split. But if saints ever win fa cup and the lift charity shield following season, I'll cheer it!
 
Papas1982 said:
Of course it was, my bad (re houllier). Belive including your friendly comps it was 5. You may not have counted it, but plenty did. And as many a rangers fan will tell you. Trophies are trophies. If they get held aloft they count for me. So you may see it as you being ahead. But I don't. As I'm sure all UTD fans don't either. As to neutrals, well maybe they are split. But if saints ever win fa cup and the lift charity shield following season, I'll cheer it!
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The Charity Sheild is a pre season friendly - that's it. I'll cheers because we beat someone and win a game but certainly don't go dancing in streets because we won a pre season friendly and that's pretty much the same thinking for the majority of Liverpool fans I know and speak too

Yes the Mancs count them - because that enables them to sneak ahead of us - but it's not a major trophy and never will be

Have you had your recount yet ?
 
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