Stats - There is only 1 that matters.

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Imurg said:
I keep stats for fun really, I can look back and see how I was doing last year or the year before and you can see patterns emerging. For example, for the last 4 years I've averaged 30 putts per round - on its own a useless stat but it does show some consistency.
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Ah but......if your iron play has improved considerably over the last 4 years and you are hitting the ball much closer to the hole yet still taking 30 putts..........

It's all about what you want to read into the numbers.

There are lies, damn lies and statistics ;)
 
bladeplayer said:
Not really sure how yardages are relevent as OP was stats re GIR Putts per round etc

But again you play the course in a strong wind today, the wind is behind you so u use one club to hit the 150 par 3
, tomorrow there is no wind so u use a different club
friday its the same wind as today so u use a different club again

What stat is correct ..


Be out for a while will check backm later , not ignoring any answers :mad:
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Experience tells you how the wind affects the shot. Experience of hitting shots in the wind. You are remembering how much the ball will be affected. It's a stat.

Anyway, the discussion is in danger of getting ridiculous :D. Some like keeping stats, some don't. No one gets hurt and WW3 isn't going to break out. I'm never really sure how threads about opinions degenerate so quickly. There are some strange serious people about eh? (Not talking about you Bill, you're one of the good guys :D).
 
bladeplayer said:
Sorry Guys If any of ye (Myself included) think ye'r game or your swing is consistent enough that knowing stats will improve your game ,

In my honest and humble opinion and with the greatest respect ye are nuts ..

If ya need a stat to tell you any part of your game is bad .. ? oh Richat already said that sorry Rich ..


I had 18 putts im a good putter , well ya missed 18 greens & chipped dead each time so no ur a good chipper & ok putter ..

Missed 18 greens your mid/ long game must be bad , well i was in the clag & behind trees & didnt have much of a shot , so actually your driving is bad ..

Ok the scenario above is a bitt OTT but do u see the madness in it ..
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But why does it have to be so dramatic, are you saying stats identify only what is really bad, it's identifying weaker areas, yardages are statistics,
anything that helps anyone improve (aimpoint, Game Golf etc) there game surely can't be that bad,
If someone is happy to just turn up and swing away, good luck and I hope it works for them.
 
bluewolf said:
Experience tells you how the wind affects the shot. Experience of hitting shots in the wind. You are remembering how much the ball will be affected. It's a stat.

Anyway, the discussion is in danger of getting ridiculous :D. Some like keeping stats, some don't. No one gets hurt and WW3 isn't going to break out. I'm never really sure how threads about opinions degenerate so quickly. There are some strange serious people about eh? (Not talking about you Bill, you're one of the good guys :D).
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Exactly Right Mate
As i always say if it works for you .. do it


NOT so sure bout the red bit ha ha
 
I don't keep stats, cause I'm bloody lazy however I think used correctly they could be useful. I read every shot counts by Mark Broadie and have been convinced that the stokes gained method would be more useful the traditional puts per round GIR & FIR etc etc. No way I can be bothered to record those stats. For those of you who can be bothered these guys have a spreadsheet for you. http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic...spreadsheet-and-anyone-interested-can-use-it/ Strokes gained more or less solves the issues like am I hitting approaches better, chipping better or putting better but it takes more discipline than I have to note down all the numbers.
 
Just had a look at my scoring stats on our website. Par 3's 3.7, Par 4's 4.7, Par 5's 5.2

Seems I am ok on par 5's, though there are only two of them. Par 3's are not too bad, as two are difficult 200 yards ones that I am not that unhappy with a 4, but it seems that there is room for improvement on the par 4's.:mmm:

The obvious problem I can see is that I hardly ever have a birdie. Had five chances inside 12 feet last round, didn't hole one of them. I didn't have one three putt though, so perhaps I am a lag putter rather than an aggresive putter.

These are the only stats I am going to look at, as I don't need to keep them myself, and all other stats are humbug.:p
 
Fair enough that your final score is the ultimate stat but when you have eight three-putts like I did today that's a stat which cannot be ignored. Didn't realise I had that many until I got home and totted them up. Amazing how hitting the ball nicely can make you forget the mediocre stuff.
 
SatchFan said:
Fair enough that your final score is the ultimate stat but when you have eight three-putts like I did today that's a stat which cannot be ignored. Didn't realise I had that many until I got home and totted them up. Amazing how hitting the ball nicely can make you forget the mediocre stuff.
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Surely you must have known during the round your putting was poor ? I wouldn't need stats after the round to tell me.
 
SatchFan said:
Fair enough that your final score is the ultimate stat but when you have eight three-putts like I did today that's a stat which cannot be ignored. Didn't realise I had that many until I got home and totted them up. Amazing how hitting the ball nicely can make you forget the mediocre stuff.
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Proves my point, you don't need to record stats to know what you need to work on :thup:
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Aye - I don't have to take too many measurements of my observable variables to determine whether or not I am selecting my independent variables correctly.
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What I'd be more interested in is the correlation of the function of your observable and independent variables with the dependent variable :whistle:

You sound like your line of work is similar to mine......

I deal with stats every day, some folk love them re golf so good luck to them, game golf seems a good way of collecting data to help IMO. Isn't for me but that's by the by, I'm mediocre at all aspects of the game :rofl:
 
drive4show said:
Proves my point, you don't need to record stats to know what you need to work on :thup:
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But he didn't realise until he thought about it later. Whether you keep a record of them or not, if you think about these things it's stats of a sort.

I came off the course last Saturday thinking my short game was pants. When I did my geeky anorak thing later I'd saved par 46% of the time after missing the green.
I also thought I'd had a half decent game off the tee, but I hit 4 fairways and on 4 occasions had no shot at the green for my second shot.

Maybe I'm just too 'in the zone' to realise at the time? :D
 
richart said:
Never ever kept a stat in my life. Talk about sucking the enjoyment out of the game. If you can't tell the weaknesses in your game there must be something wrong with you.
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Totally agree with you Rich. The only stat I ever keep on golf course is how many different types of wild bird or flower I see during a round and I do this less often these days and certainly don't write it down.

Completely agree with D4S too. All this about collecting meaningful data is fine if it is what floats your boat but what do you do with it? Change your practice routine? Big deal. If it doesn't change the only stat that matters (gross score) then it is a waste of time and effort aside from the enjoyment that some derive from stat collection of course.

But then what do I know? Not much as my brain is slightly carbonated from drinking a bottle of Bollinger with my wife tonight.....that I won in a scratch competition (admittedly with a +7 round! :o ) at St Georges Hill last week when I managed only five birdies in the round! :)

I won the bubbly by the way, not the wife....

Am thinking of writing a book - "New Golf Drinking."
 
matchrat said:
I don't keep stats, cause I'm bloody lazy however I think used correctly they could be useful. I read every shot counts by Mark Broadie and have been convinced that the stokes gained method would be more useful the traditional puts per round GIR & FIR etc etc. No way I can be bothered to record those stats. For those of you who can be bothered these guys have a spreadsheet for you. http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic...spreadsheet-and-anyone-interested-can-use-it/ Strokes gained more or less solves the issues like am I hitting approaches better, chipping better or putting better but it takes more discipline than I have to note down all the numbers.
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I read the book to and found it interesting and made sense where the normal way of stat taking dont really tell you much. This led onto joining GDL for the year to see how it goes but I totally agree with you that it takes discipline to note every thing down.

But thanks for the link I will download it to look at.
 
Snelly said:
Totally agree with you Rich. The only stat I ever keep on golf course is how many different types of wild bird or flower I see during a round and I do this less often these days and certainly don't write it down.

Completely agree with D4S too. All this about collecting meaningful data is fine if it is what floats your boat but what do you do with it? Change your practice routine? Big deal. If it doesn't change the only stat that matters (gross score) then it is a waste of time and effort aside from the enjoyment that some derive from stat collection of course.

But then what do I know? Not much as my brain is slightly carbonated from drinking a bottle of Bollinger with my wife tonight.....that I won in a scratch competition (admittedly with a +7 round! :o ) at St Georges Hill last week when I managed only five birdies in the round! :)

I won the bubbly by the way, not the wife....

Am thinking of writing a book - "New Golf Drinking."
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:whoo:

Like it :D
 
Region3 said:
But he didn't realise until he thought about it later. Whether you keep a record of them or not, if you think about these things it's stats of a sort.

I came off the course last Saturday thinking my short game was pants. When I did my geeky anorak thing later I'd saved par 46% of the time after missing the green.
I also thought I'd had a half decent game off the tee, but I hit 4 fairways and on 4 occasions had no shot at the green for my second shot.

Maybe I'm just too 'in the zone' to realise at the time? :D
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Yes, I knew I was putting poorly, just not that poorly. Fortunately, this evening's carpet putting stats are excellent.
 
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