Stats - There is only 1 that matters.

[JohnnyDee]

I'm sorry but this post is crazy and it lost all merit in my mind when you suggested pros dont keep stats or analyse them.

You make points around knowing that you don't make enough pars on par 3s or that you 3 putt too often, to know that over any significant period of time you must surely have to record the outcomes? taking one/two or even three rounds in isolation is frankly not enough thats not a trend.



so 'The Bleeding Obvious' most likely isnt quite what it seems.

Actually if you read what I say it's a question which sees me wondering if the Pros in fact do keep their stats.
"I really do wonder whether the Tour Pros bother with these numbers themselves."

Some here on the forum seem to say that they take great stock by them and that's fine if they do. I don't really know if it's correct as I have no inside information on whether or not it is. Others may well know differently. I'm not saying they're wrong.

I don't say anything about my stats as I don't keep any. I prefixed my comments with "Hypothetically, let's say..."

I go on to say that if one keeps stats that's fine and fair play to those who do if they find it a benefit. Whatever works for anyone is good as far as I'm concerned. I have no axe to grind and simply tried to ask the questions in the context of the subject under discussion.

Believe me, I know that my short game is pants, in fact it's probably worse. I'm my own worst enemy by not doing something about it if I want to come down to under 10. I don't need stats or peer comparison to clarify this.

 

[JustOne]

Never ever kept a stat in my life. Talk about sucking the enjoyment out of the game. If you can't tell the weaknesses in your game there must be something wrong with you.

Totally disagree..... a lot of people keep stats and appear to get a huge buzz talking about them, how many puts/GIR/FIR etc etc I would say that they enjoy the game MORE because of it.

We're not all wired the same, many of us have no interest in stats whatsoever but to say it sucks the enjoyment out of the game would be the same as saying Smiffy shouldn't mention what bait he uses to catch fish when really it's an integral part of 'fishing chat'.

 

[MendieGK]

Actually if you read what I say it's a question which sees me wondering if the Pros in fact do keep their stats. "I really do wonder whether the Tour Pros bother with these numbers themselves." Some here on the forum seem to say that they take great stock by them and that's fine if they do. I don't really know if it's correct as I have no inside information on whether or not it is. Others may well know differently. I'm not saying they're wrong.I don't say anything about my stats as I don't keep any. I prefixed my comments with "Hypothetically, let's say..."I go on to say that if one keeps stats that's fine and fair play to those who do if they find it a benefit. Whatever works for anyone is good as far as I'm concerned. I have no axe to grind and simply tried to ask the questions in the context of the subject under discussion.Believe me, I know that my short game is pants, in fact it's probably worse. I'm my own worst enemy by not doing something about it if I want to come down to under 10. I don't need stats or peer comparison to clarify this.

I in know way thought you were being 'controversial' - I just cant get my head around the idea that keeping stats aren't beneficial. However, this is the reason for a forum, to debate, agree and disagree.

 

[richart]

Totally disagree..... a lot of people keep stats and appear to get a huge buzz talking about them, how many puts/GIR/FIR etc etc I would say that they enjoy the game MORE because of it.

We're not all wired the same, many of us have no interest in stats whatsoever but to say it sucks the enjoyment out of the game would be the same as saying Smiffy shouldn't mention what bait he uses to catch fish when really it's an integral part of 'fishing chat'.

Hold on I was talking personally, that I have never kept a stat and it would suck the enjoyment out for ME. I don't presume to know what is best for others.

I still think that you can tell what the weaknesses are in your game without having to keep stats though. If you get some sort of pleasure from it go for it, but not for me.

 

[3565]

I'm doing the shots gained stats which is more in depth with the input you need to do. I've only done 4 rounds to date and considering the time of year and conditions, it's highlighted that my mid iron approach is showing 20% on the green, my long irons approach is higher then the mid irons. Now there isn't many holes that I need to hit long irons into greens compared to the mid and short irons, but it's alarming that I'm not hitting the greens with my mid irons after only 4 rounds. So with that I need to possibly practise more mid irons.

 

[3565]

Hold on I was talking personally, that I have never kept a stat and it would suck the enjoyment out for ME. I don't presume to know what is best for others.

I still think that you can tell what the weaknesses are in your game without having to keep stats though. If you get some sort of pleasure from it go for it, but not for me.

To be fair, your original post doesn't say that tho or comes across that it was about you!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hold on I was talking personally, that I have never kept a stat and it would suck the enjoyment out for ME. I don't presume to know what is best for others.

I still think that you can tell what the weaknesses are in your game without having to keep stats though. If you get some sort of pleasure from it go for it, but not for me.

I understand some people love their stats and can see why - certainly can see why and how Pro's can use them to give them that slight edge when it's their career

But agree that I can't see how it can help club Amatuers when our game will be too inconsistent in all areas but it's harmless for people to keep them

It does make me giggle a little when people mention their stats like they count as a win even if their score is not that great

The score is all that will matter for me and even then it's only really second to the enjoyment of the whole package

 

[JohnnyDee]

I in know way thought you were being 'controversial' - I just cant get my head around the idea that keeping stats aren't beneficial. However, this is the reason for a forum, to debate, agree and disagree.

I fully agree - and none taken whatsoever. :cheers: Debate with give and take is healthy and should be what these places are all about.

Where it goes wrong are entrenched "I'm right and you're wrong" pointless exchanges that serve no purpose at all. When I see one of them going on I always smile and think of this. 😄

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why does keeping stats always associate with weak areas, they can also highlight strong areas and provide confidence that practise is paying off,

 

[bluewolf]

I understand some people love their stats and can see why - certainly can see why and how Pro's can use them to give them that slight edge when it's their career

But agree that I can't see how it can help club Amatuers when our game will be too inconsistent in all areas but it's harmless for people to keep them

It does make me giggle a little when people mention their stats like they count as a win even if their score is not that great

The score is all that will matter for me and even then it's only really second to the enjoyment of the whole package

Phil, I appreciate that you don't understand the need to keep stats. However, dismissing it as a tool for anyone else is both arrogant and slightly condescending.
Giggle away if you want, but if someone wants to employ a different method to you, it doesn't make them wrong. Or you right.. You do things your way, I'll do them mine.. And trust me, it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game at all... :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil, I appreciate that you don't understand the need to keep stats. However, dismissing it as a tool for anyone else is both arrogant and slightly condescending.
Giggle away if you want, but if someone wants to employ a different method to you, it doesn't make them wrong. Or you right.. You do things your way, I'll do them mine.. And trust me, it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the game at all... :thup:

As I said I can't see how it can help the club Amatuer because our game is very inconsistent in all the areas and haven't seen any improvements of the FC I play who keep their stats. I didn't say they were wrong or I was right nor did I say anything about a lack of enjoyment from someone who does keep stats

 

[bluewolf]

As I said I can't see how it can help the club Amatuer because our game is very inconsistent in all the areas and haven't seen any improvements of the FC I play who keep their stats. I didn't say they were wrong or I was right nor did I say anything about a lack of enjoyment from someone who does keep stats

Your initial post inferred exactly that.. Along with several others on this thread.
Your preferred methods are totally your prerogative, but to question others methods whilst refusing to acknowledge their possible validity is totally unnecessary..
I'm beginning to understand certain posters reactions on threads like the Aimpoint one..

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My other posts also don't mention anything about lack of enjoyment for people who take stats and also not said any method is right or wrong

But would be interesting to know how many peoples play and scoring has improved since they started recording their stats ? I know two who do take stats and both of them have increased their HC

But I will say that if including in the stat evaluation includes knowing how far you hit each club like you do in game golf then there is no doubt that is very helpful

 

[bluewolf]

My other posts also don't mention anything about lack of enjoyment for people who take stats and also not said any method is right or wrong

But would be interesting to know how many peoples play and scoring has improved since they started recording their stats ? I know two who do take stats and both of them have increased their HC

But I will say that if including in the stat evaluation includes knowing how far you hit each club like you do in game golf then there is no doubt that is very helpful

Having concrete proof of yardages is certainly beneficial. I've played with many people who are convinced they hit their 7 irons 160yds. The excuses that some trot out every time they drop the ball 10-15 yards short of the pin are quite amusing.
Using the stats I've recorded on GG I've been able to work out both aggressive and conservative ways of playing each hole at my new club.
Using the stats in conjunction with observation I've been able to pinpoint certain areas in my game that require targeted practice (in my case, shots from 30 - 70yds)
In totally unrelated news, using GG I've spotted that the house that overlooks our 15th and 16th holes has a nice swimming pool in the back garden.

With regards to handicap, then maybe I'm the wrong person to speak to. My handicap will naturally rise this year as 2 years of injury have left me unable to play the way I used to. However, I do feel that I'm improving quicker than I would have without the basic stats. If I can get to the end of this season and still be on 6, maybe 7, then I'll take that as a huge positive. I'll attribute that positive to several things, one of which will be the stats I've kept..

 

[3565]

Your initial post inferred exactly that.. Along with several others on this thread.
Your preferred methods are totally your prerogative, but to question others methods whilst refusing to acknowledge their possible validity is totally unnecessary..
I'm beginning to understand certain posters reactions on threads like the Aimpoint one..

you just have to ignore certain posts where it involves those who are not informed and basically think their way is best.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Cheers for that and the distance for each club is spot on

I managed to learn using on the course but over a period of time

Our pro has got GG in the pro shop and it's proving popular - a regular pp starting using it this week so going to monitor it

Out of all the gadgets and methods out there Game Golf is the one that has piqued the curiosity
Also sorry to hear about your injury - hope it's something that you can overcome and can keep your HC at the same level

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Cheers for that and the distance for each club is spot on

I managed to learn using on the course but over a period of time

Our pro has got GG in the pro shop and it's proving popular - a regular pp starting using it this week so going to monitor it

Out of all the gadgets and methods out there Game Golf is the one that has piqued the curiosity
Also sorry to hear about your injury - hope it's something that you can overcome and can keep your HC at the same level

If you managed to learn on course it was via statistics, whether you call it something else is upto you, surely you took the knowledge of using your clubs over a period of time and used the best one to do the job, ie statistically! Or have you simply guessed every club you've ever hit without considering previous outcome.
You can if you wish, (you don't need a GG Device) have a look at my stats on there and since last April reduced my handicap from 14.6 to 13.8 after staying at 15 for 4 years, some of this is down to the stats GG has provided.

 

[chrisd]

My stats are telling me that I miss the pin 40% more to the left than right from over 100 yards, I couldn't know that without Game Golf, I think it's helpful in my game to know

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My stats are telling me that I miss the pin 40% more to the left than right from over 100 yards, I couldn't know that without Game Golf, I think it's helpful in my game to know

Have you been able to change that outcome ?

 

[chrisd]

Have you been able to change that outcome ?

I hope so Phil, the new irons seem to take out the pull hook and sends the ball straighter. I hope the end result is a tighter dispersion