Val
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And they won't be charged any differently
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And they won't be charged any differently
Doon frae Troon
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England and Wales should have their own devolved parliaments.
A much reduced UK parliament should deal with UK matters with an elected second tier.
BTW..SR..... Scottish MP's do not sit in the Scottish Parliament
A much reduced UK parliament should deal with UK matters with an elected second tier.
BTW..SR..... Scottish MP's do not sit in the Scottish Parliament
Val
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He doesn't sit in the Scottish Parliament, he sits at Westminster. He is an MP not an MSP.
I agree Scottish MP's shouldn't vote in English only matters but stopping them voting in UK matters is dictatorial and plays right into the hands of Nationalists
Val
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Airports don't make money from APD, so your first point is irrelevant.
APD may increase numbers slightly but it won't be deal breaking, it will certainly give the holidaymaker a bit more in their pocket, they would be the main beneficiaries.
Moot point as it hasn't changed anyway and unlikely to change just yet
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c1973
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Usually what happens is the snp and independence supporters tend to not mention oil,in much the same way they stopped talking about 'tiger' economies when Ireland, Iceland etc started going teets up a few years back.
Obviously the moderately intelligent amongst us who understood their 'cautious estimate' as being utter nonsense were 'scaremongering' etc etc. This, I believe was one of the many reasons the silent majority booted them into touch, it was not all down to Gordon Brown's promises of more power being devolved.....something no one actually voted for btw, but is being foisted on us regardless! I wouldn't trust that lot in Edinburgh to run a bath, never mind a country!
FairwayDodger
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Listening to the debate over the last couple of days has been utterly depressing. The nats response to this is as predictable as it is boring.
Nothing would have satisfied them, they want independence at any cost and would argue black is white if it helped their case.
Meanwhile the MAJORITY who voted for no change have been completely disenfranchised by the entire process.
Nothing would have satisfied them, they want independence at any cost and would argue black is white if it helped their case.
Meanwhile the MAJORITY who voted for no change have been completely disenfranchised by the entire process.
SocketRocket
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But if Scotland decides its own tax levels then income tax in England will be an English matter.
Scotland seems to have it both ways at the moment. A Scottish Parliament where MSP's can vote on matters relating only to Scotland, and the UK Parliament where Scottish MPs can vote on matters that only relate to England and Wales! :mmm:
FairwayDodger
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The UK parliament is exactly that, I'm afraid. MPs must be able to debate and vote on all business that comes before it. I agree about the inherent unfairness of it but the fault is with devolution. The solution is devolved regional parliaments that all have the same powers and a UK parliament that only deals with UK-wide matters. Alternatively we could scrap the Scottish, Welsh and NI parliaments - which would get my vote.
Spuddy
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The airline i work for and the airport i work at have been campaigning for the scrapping of APD for years. The airlines want it because they tickets will be a bit cheaper and more people will be encouraged to fly. The airports want it because more passengers mean more money (they get a percentage of the ticket price). Its pretty straight forward.
On
I totally agree with the latter point. The regional parliaments/assemblies are just very expensive talking shops which keep yet another layer of politicians and bureaucrats on the political gravy train at our expense. Pro rata, the Scots get equal representation to the rest of the UK in the Westminster Government, and a high number of senior ministers seem to have had Scottish roots over the last few years, so why are they so hard done by?
Doon frae Troon
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I think it is quite clear that Westminster is not working for the majority of UK citizens.
Devolution to the English regions is the answer but for some reason they seem to be scared of the responsibility.
I watched 10 minutes of PM questions the other day and it was worse than primary school playground behaviour.
We deserve a whole lot better than those semi trained monkeys.
Devolution to the English regions is the answer but for some reason they seem to be scared of the responsibility.
I watched 10 minutes of PM questions the other day and it was worse than primary school playground behaviour.
We deserve a whole lot better than those semi trained monkeys.
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The original idea of the UK Parliament was that each constituency would elect a representative of the local population who would look after their interests. Now you almost always get a choice of candidates from the political elites, representing large pressure groups, imposed upon us. Maybe we should vote for more local independent candidates to break this system?
Val
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I'm agreeing with you, my point isn't about tax it's about other matters, you can't have scottish MPs with no say in UK wide matters
Foxholer
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PMQs is most definitely NOT what Westminster is about!
I'd challenge you to to justify both those claims!
Devolution to manufactured regions simply adds another layer of bureaucracy, which would make things far worse than currently imo. And while there's always room for improvement, Westminster DOES work, even if it may not have been the result that 'the majority' wanted.
The Scottish system was deliberately designed to actually prevent a majority, something SNP miraculously achieved last time. With the need for consensus also comes that other term compromise, which in very many cases means 'never the best way'!
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SocketRocket
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Yes, i agree with that.
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