BiMGuy
LIV Bot, (But Not As Big As Mel) ?
Maybe so. But composite materials have advanced a touch since the Yonex and C4.
Most serious reviews are saying it’s more forgiving than previous drivers not necessarily longer.
(Stealth Driver) Carbonwood Tech - Gimmick or Replacement for Titanium?
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Maybe so. But composite materials have advanced a touch since the Yonex and C4.
Most serious reviews are saying it’s more forgiving than previous drivers not necessarily longer.
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If only there had been improvements in science, technology & material stress analysis over the years.
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TM saying they will not be making anymore Titanium face drivers anymore ??
So if that's true this gimmick (if that's what it is) is here to stay.
So if that's true this gimmick (if that's what it is) is here to stay.
Jimaroid
Journeyman Pro
Unsurprising. It’s a cheaper material so a bigger margin for them if it works out.
Backsticks
Assistant Pro
Staying doesnt mean its not a gimmick. From a marketing point of view, differentiation from the competition, not being truly better, is all they need. Anything that feeds the fiction writers in marketing some creative inspiration is all they need. When you cant measure an improvement, then you come up with one like 'forgiveness'. I tip my hat to Taylormade. They are the best in the business at extracting cash from the gullible and the dreamers with more money than reason.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
Rumour is of a white version, white was the revolutionary change of the previous decade, it’s needs to be white, with a flex twist shaft x
C/w with a bubble
C/w with a bubble
VVega
Assistant Pro
FWIW no difference in my limited testing of Stealth vs Sim 2(both 9* down to 7*).
Curious to try Stealth Plus though.
Not bothered carbon or not, if it works it works
Curious to try Stealth Plus though.
Not bothered carbon or not, if it works it works sunshine
Well-known member
All this blowing out of the water makes me conclude the OP needs to find a drier place to play golf.
i*windows
Newbie
it's just marketting guff. No Legal driver can exceed a COR of 0.830 (https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/cor-in-golf-clubs-explained/), which basically means the springyness of the face cannot exceed a certain level, so regardless if you use steel, tittanium, carbon or whatever they cannot get more energy out of the face. Where new drivers differ from older ones is that the mishits from the toe and heel tend to be a little better.
If you are hitting this one better than your old one, it could be a couple of things, 'new driver syndome' where it flies on the demo day and then performs the same as your old driver, or head shaft combo could be better suited.
But if you like it and it puts a smile on your face - and you an afford it buy it
If you are hitting this one better than your old one, it could be a couple of things, 'new driver syndome' where it flies on the demo day and then performs the same as your old driver, or head shaft combo could be better suited.
But if you like it and it puts a smile on your face - and you an afford it buy it
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
The Yes/No issue of gimmick is not easy to fathom.
It seems every new driver must have some element of gimmick.
Marketing with "No great changes in this one, simply newer" is unlikely to pass muster.
The Stealth is probably OK, but we will have a better view in 18 months time.
However, I do feel we have been here before...
Usually go for about £10-£15 plus postage. I haven't bothered.
"Longest driver on tour" was, I believe, the marketing slogan.
It seems every new driver must have some element of gimmick.
Marketing with "No great changes in this one, simply newer" is unlikely to pass muster.
The Stealth is probably OK, but we will have a better view in 18 months time.
However, I do feel we have been here before...
Usually go for about £10-£15 plus postage. I haven't bothered.
"Longest driver on tour" was, I believe, the marketing slogan.
gopher99
Active member
Look at these bad boys
Voyager EMH
Slipper Wearing Plucker of Pheasants
They are the titanium faced ones. Good value if you like them. One bid already, was that you?
gopher99
Active member
Not me, I used to own these back in the day. Yonex made their own graphite shafts and used to be one of the best shaft making companies out there, not sure about their golf clubs these days.
Orikoru
Tour Winner
They've probably designed it to become unplayably damaged in only a year - same as how iPhones are designed to fail so you have to buy a new one. Too many people are learning that you don't get performance benefits from upgrading your driver every year so TM had to come up with a new method of prompting people to spend their hard-earned.
I've seen drivers that are 6 years old that don't look as bad as the face in that picture!
I've seen drivers that are 6 years old that don't look as bad as the face in that picture!
SimonC
Head Pro
Why would they design something to be unplayable in a year when they have a 2 year warranty? This would massively damage their brand & risk losing them sales of their future products.
I hit the same driver I tested my current driver against again yesterday that has been hit hundreds of times & there was no wear on the face.
VVega
Assistant Pro
While this is true, the reality is that tolerances vary hugely. Typically, if the standard says X is max for sth, the manufacturer will choose to make the product that is specified at Y where Y is guaranteed to be < X within a tolerance Z.
In reality, some products will be Y-Z, some Y+Z... and even Y+Z needs to be comfortably below X to avoid a risk of a product recall.
Hence, smaller Z in manufacturing and closer Y to X = higher COR in the product. Also, this explains why there are "hot drivers" (the one that was Y+Z)
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
These days it's more to do with the Characteristic Time..the amount of time the ball is in contact with the face..
The limit is 239 but there is a tolerance of 18 so the actual limit is 257 ( whatever unit of measure it is).
Most manufacturers build as close to this 257 limit as they can
The limit is 239 but there is a tolerance of 18 so the actual limit is 257 ( whatever unit of measure it is).
Most manufacturers build as close to this 257 limit as they can
Foxholer
Blackballed
It's not just COR/CT that govern Driver characteristics. Anything that reduces weight (and the face is about 20gms lighter than a titanium one) means that more weight can be distributed elsewhere in the head - to 'improve' flight characteristics. So there ARE potential advantages to be had. Whether that justifies the cost though is up to the purchaser/user!it's just marketting guff. No Legal driver can exceed a COR of 0.830 (https://www.nationalclubgolfer.com/news/cor-in-golf-clubs-explained/), which basically means the springyness of the face cannot exceed a certain level, so regardless if you use steel, tittanium, carbon or whatever they cannot get more energy out of the face. Where new drivers differ from older ones is that the mishits from the toe and heel tend to be a little better.
If you are hitting this one better than your old one, it could be a couple of things, 'new driver syndome' where it flies on the demo day and then performs the same as your old driver, or head shaft combo could be better suited.
But if you like it and it puts a smile on your face - and you an afford it buy it
Backsticks
Assistant Pro
Callaway blows the Stealth out of the water I'd say, and carbon has had its day already by the looks of Crossfield comparing the two who has the Callaway 3 yards longer in his test. That looks conclusive to me. Three whole yards ! Carbon offers a superb marketing opportunity to sell nothing in particular, which is where the real genius of golf driver design lies. There are a lot of people out there who swallow up this sort of nonsense, and Taylormade are well in their rights to collect it from people silly enough to hand it away. You can see why Taylormade are prepared to commit to never making another titanium driver - they dont need to - they have something else that is EXACTLY the same.
Golf clubs closest benchmark these days is the world of fast fashion. Colours, flashes, a bit of graphics, glossy aspirational publicity campaigns, and mainly, get high profile celebs or tour pros to 'wear' the club. There is nothing more to sell, so the wrapping become the good itself. No higher core performance is available, but people like shiny and they like to have this years look. The full link needs to be made in golf clubs now and cut the nonsense about hitting it further, lower dispersion, more forgiveness (whoever though that one up should be getting royalties from the who industry). It would free them from the completely ludicrous bind in which they have tied themselves.
Like a mobile phone from Prada design, or a pen by Porsche.
Golf is a rich man's game. "The Driver - By Dior." I can see Keira Knightley in the advert already. And so on.
Golf clubs closest benchmark these days is the world of fast fashion. Colours, flashes, a bit of graphics, glossy aspirational publicity campaigns, and mainly, get high profile celebs or tour pros to 'wear' the club. There is nothing more to sell, so the wrapping become the good itself. No higher core performance is available, but people like shiny and they like to have this years look. The full link needs to be made in golf clubs now and cut the nonsense about hitting it further, lower dispersion, more forgiveness (whoever though that one up should be getting royalties from the who industry). It would free them from the completely ludicrous bind in which they have tied themselves.
Like a mobile phone from Prada design, or a pen by Porsche.
Golf is a rich man's game. "The Driver - By Dior." I can see Keira Knightley in the advert already. And so on.
upsidedown
Tour Winner
Mate was fitted for one last Friday and told about a week
