SAPCOR1
Journeyman Pro
A four ball 10 mins ahead of me let me through on the 3rd and I had the course virtually to myself after that. Cracking day as well and the temp got to a balmy 19 degs
Golfmmad
Tour Winner
Had a lovely game of golf today at West Kilbride. Sun was shining, a very gentle breeze, course was in good condition, and the greens excellent. Even getting held up from the 13th I was still round in 2 hours 50 minutes. It really doesn't get better.
Anyway onto my point. As I was about to tee off down the 18th I notice a junior, I would guess about 12 or 13 years of age walking over to the 18th fairway having obviously hooked it off the first tee. As I was almost finished my round and this lad was just starting I waved him on. Big mistake!
This lad wandered over, placed his bag beside his ball then proceeded to walk about 70 yards up and across the fairway to look at the first green then walked back to his bag where he then began jumping up and down like a jack in the box looking for the green that's certainly not moved and quite clearly visible. After completing this weird jumping ritual he then grabs an iron before puting that back and then selects a wood or a hybrid.
Happy with his choice of club he then takes six, yes six practice swings before lining himself up. He then has a couple of waggles before hooking it towards my tee.
I then tee off and as I pass him trudging towards his ball I say "wee man you wouldn't have hooked it like that if you'd only had two practice swings!"
Poor wee soul didn't know what to say or know if I was serious!
If this is the sort of etiquette that juniors are learning and find acceptable, God help the future of golf!
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Obviously the young lad has been watching:
1. Keegan Bradley
2. Jason Dufner
3. Last but not least, Tiger Woods.
Keyser Soze
Assistant Pro
Me and my mate were told by the 4 ball * in front of us at Pedham on monday, that they couldn't let us through because there was a 2 ball in front of them that couldn't go through the 4 ball in front of them. (confused yet?), anyway, this was on the 5th. At the 16th, they told us that we could go through as maybe the 4 ball in front of them, that long ago had let the 2 ball through, that apparently wouldn't be let through and that maybe they'd let us through also. To this we replied that there was no point and it was too late to bother.
4 hours 50 minutes that round took.
* Why is it that these 4 balls who won't let you through are generally ignorant, retired men?
4 hours 50 minutes that round took.
* Why is it that these 4 balls who won't let you through are generally ignorant, retired men?
SAPCOR1
Journeyman Pro
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thecraw
Guest
My observations too mate, yes a generalisation but mainly true. The best reply I ever got was I've been a member here longer than you've been alive son. I pay my fees and I'll play at whatever pace I like.
My reply was I'll still be a member and paying my fees when your dead in a few years!
He didn't like that and let me through.
Keyser Soze
Assistant Pro
Well done you. Would love to have seen his face !
The mate i mentioned is a member at Sittingbourne and he's been asked, in the past, why he's playing golf, shouldn't he be at work?
North Mimms
Tour Winner
I'm no fan of speed golf, but I play at a busy course where 4 hours is the norm during the week.
I love our Seniors, but I do get the idea that some of them take Golf Day very literally...
Up there straight after breakfast an hour and a half before they tee off, cup of tea or two, read the papers, put the world to rights...
Wander round for a leisurely game of golf, no hurry.
Back to the Clubhouse for a few drinks, read the papers again.
Home just in time for their supper- that's Monday taken care of!
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thecraw
Guest
MashieNiblick
Tour Winner
stevie_r
Tour Winner
Perhaps they could introduce a rule on how long you are allowed to be in the clubhouse each day
Leftie
Tour Winner
I must resist ......
I must resist ......
I must resist ......
Damn. I can't.
Why is it that threads about the slow play of juniors always get turned around to seniors bashing? Just remember that if you are lucky, you might get old one day and still be fit enough to walk a golf course. There are many reasons why older gentlemen (and ladies) don't call you through. Maybe their eyesight is so bad that they can't see you 250 yds away waiting before duffing your shot. Maybe their hearing is so bad that they can't hear the abuse being shouted at them.
Maybe they are fairly tight on the groups in front who are being held up by people in front who are much younger than them. You know the ones. Waiting for the green to clear on a 350yd par 4 before teeing off. Having to search for too many lost balls 'cos they hit it a long way but sideways.
Apart from the old, the young, and all ages in between, slow play is caused by green fee players, professionals, societies, beginners, experienced golfers still playing like beginners, poor players in buggies, average players in buggies, societies using buggies, and societies.
I must resist ......
I must resist ......
Damn. I can't.
Why is it that threads about the slow play of juniors always get turned around to seniors bashing? Just remember that if you are lucky, you might get old one day and still be fit enough to walk a golf course. There are many reasons why older gentlemen (and ladies) don't call you through. Maybe their eyesight is so bad that they can't see you 250 yds away waiting before duffing your shot. Maybe their hearing is so bad that they can't hear the abuse being shouted at them.
Maybe they are fairly tight on the groups in front who are being held up by people in front who are much younger than them. You know the ones. Waiting for the green to clear on a 350yd par 4 before teeing off. Having to search for too many lost balls 'cos they hit it a long way but sideways.
Apart from the old, the young, and all ages in between, slow play is caused by green fee players, professionals, societies, beginners, experienced golfers still playing like beginners, poor players in buggies, average players in buggies, societies using buggies, and societies.
blackpuddinmonster
Challenge Tour Pro
So basically what your saying is that slow play is pretty much endemic in golf today with the blame being fairly evenly spaced across all the demographics.I must resist ......
I must resist ......
I must resist ......
Damn. I can't.
Why is it that threads about the slow play of juniors always get turned around to seniors bashing? Just remember that if you are lucky, you might get old one day and still be fit enough to walk a golf course. There are many reasons why older gentlemen (and ladies) don't call you through. Maybe their eyesight is so bad that they can't see you 250 yds away waiting before duffing your shot. Maybe their hearing is so bad that they can't hear the abuse being shouted at them.
Maybe they are fairly tight on the groups in front who are being held up by people in front who are much younger than them. You know the ones. Waiting for the green to clear on a 350yd par 4 before teeing off. Having to search for too many lost balls 'cos they hit it a long way but sideways.
Apart from the old, the young, and all ages in between, slow play is caused by green fee players, professionals, societies, beginners, experienced golfers still playing like beginners, poor players in buggies, average players in buggies, societies using buggies, and societies.
Leftie i think i agree with you. :thup:
stevie_r
Tour Winner
I must resist ......
I must resist ......
I must resist ......
Damn. I can't.
Why is it that threads about the slow play of juniors always get turned around to seniors bashing? Just remember that if you are lucky, you might get old one day and still be fit enough to walk a golf course. There are many reasons why older gentlemen (and ladies) don't call you through. Maybe their eyesight is so bad that they can't see you 250 yds away waiting before duffing your shot. Maybe their hearing is so bad that they can't hear the abuse being shouted at them.
Maybe they are fairly tight on the groups in front who are being held up by people in front who are much younger than them. You know the ones. Waiting for the green to clear on a 350yd par 4 before teeing off. Having to search for too many lost balls 'cos they hit it a long way but sideways.
Apart from the old, the young, and all ages in between, slow play is caused by green fee players, professionals, societies, beginners, experienced golfers still playing like beginners, poor players in buggies, average players in buggies, societies using buggies, and societies.
I concur
SAPCOR1
Journeyman Pro
Yes I agree, don't think you can blame one "group" or exclude any "group"
stevie_r
Tour Winner
Have you got tonight's lottery numbers too?
Foxholer
Blackballed
Seems by the above that Craw is playing these rounds on his own - and is taking just under 3 hours to do so.
Allowing 20 mins for the hold-up (probably more like 10-15) 2hrs 30 for a single is quite slow. I have no problems getting round a course in 2:10 - where the 'standard' for a 4-ball is 4:20. On the links course I played near Edinburgh, 1:45 was pretty much my norm for a round as a single - 3:30 was standard as a 4-ball.
If that's the case, then it seems to me that Craw is a/the slow player - not that it matters a jot if he's not holding anyone up.
My 4:20 round yesterday - starting as a 3 but inviting a single to join us - was generally extremely pleasant, though a disappointing (scoring) finish.
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louise_a
Money List Winner
I think I mentioned before the guy I played with in a mixed event last month, he plays off 6 and is in his 30s/40s, his preshot ritual is quite extended with a few swings standing behind the ball then a few more before he takes his shot.
He is also in charge of our juniors!
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thecraw
Guest
Hi Mr Fox,
thanks for your input and condescending attitude towards my round. You are right to an extent as I indeed play down the last as a single, in fact I played both 17 & 18 on my own as the lad I joined up with in the pro shop walked in after the 16th due to the four ball in front talking 65 minutes to play 13, 14, 15 & 16. (The 4 ball of old gentlemen also went in at 16!)
I have also have stated quite regularly that I'm not a fast player. I just play "ready" golf and don't really flaff or fart about.
Something else that I've not mentioned which people who know me will verify I suffer quite badly with arthritis in my feet hence why I insist I'm not the fastest player on the planet, far from it. Therefore given the fact that I/we were held up for a minimum of 25 minutes I would have been round in 2 hours 25 minutes. That included getting through two groups who let us through on the 3rd and the 11th. Other than that we had a surprisingly free run up until the 13th tee where we encountered the 4 ball who thought the course was there own to enjoy.
Obviously not as fast and impressive as your good self but considering, not too shabby either.
If you wish anything else clarified please don't hesitate.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Thanks Craw.
Message obviously hasn't got through to the '4 old gentlemen' either. Are you (or the lad from the shop) going to educate them? Otherwise you are in danger of hypocrisy.
My sympathies for your condition - I shall resist the temptation to associate it with you attitude. I'm sorry you consider my post condescending; it wasn't meant to be and I still don't see it as such. Your lack of response to my earlier post, in the thread, was a candidate also.
I don't consider myself a fast player either btw. It's just that a single is there (only) to play golf - and maybe to admire the scenery - whereas a 4-ball is something more of a social occasion - with respect for others at the venue being an essential ingredient.
The only clarification I'd need is how long you takes you to play as a 4-ball.
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