Bratty
Princess Pouty (Queen of Fish Lips)
But that doesn't keep everyone happy. What about these "slow" players who want or need to play early, or the "fast" players who want or need to play late? Your system isn't fair to them.
clubchamp98
Journeyman Pro
In the USA most do.
But I have never seen this in the UK.
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
You've played golf with me numerous times Simon. You know I don't "race" around, but neither do I like hanging about. When it's my turn to play, I'll be ready. I like a laugh and a joke, and a bit of banter.
I consider myself a fairly quick player, but don't deliberately race around.
A 4 hour round is easily achievable, and as a 3 ball out in front at Cooden my group can usually pull 3 or 4 holes ahead of the group behind us.
Not done deliberately, but save time where time can be saved.
Oddsocks
Ryder Cup Winner
one out there for smithy and potentially other organisers.
Do you think if you actually asked players before grouping if they consider themselves to swift, average or casually paced golfers it would be better received and more honest?
Being called slow is quite strong, being called something else indicating the same May be more effective?
When I used to arrange away days, from a typical 30 there were 5 that were notoriously slow and around the same who were quick. I would always split the super quick ones and likewise the turtles.
Groups would generally be one fast, one slow, two average. I would also try and not have too many sprayers in the same group or those who take ages on putts. Harder to work the groups but all days were grouped with the same ethos and the groups stayed pretty tight.
Someone did bitch once and I was honest about my ethos, he asked which category he fell into and then pissed himself laughing admitting he “ knows he’s not the quickest “
Do you think if you actually asked players before grouping if they consider themselves to swift, average or casually paced golfers it would be better received and more honest?
Being called slow is quite strong, being called something else indicating the same May be more effective?
When I used to arrange away days, from a typical 30 there were 5 that were notoriously slow and around the same who were quick. I would always split the super quick ones and likewise the turtles.
Groups would generally be one fast, one slow, two average. I would also try and not have too many sprayers in the same group or those who take ages on putts. Harder to work the groups but all days were grouped with the same ethos and the groups stayed pretty tight.
Someone did bitch once and I was honest about my ethos, he asked which category he fell into and then pissed himself laughing admitting he “ knows he’s not the quickest “
chrisd
Major Champion
Generally I find that theres often one slow player in a 3 or 4 ball isn't a problem. One of my regular group is much slower than the rest but we dont play to his pace wherever possible. His view is that he isn't going to run round on a Sunday morning, it's his hobby and relaxation. We dont wait if he's last on the tee, we walk as soon as he's seen his shot go and he's a decent length player, and often not first to play next. He takes his time, particularly chipping and putting, but is pretty good at both and whilst he takes more time he makes up for it with less shots.
So, sometimes slower players can be "managed"
So, sometimes slower players can be "managed"
NearHull
Well-known member
i think the biggest issue is defining ‘slow play’. The real problem is differing playing speeds. If everyone plays at the same pace, it is irrelevant how long the round takes. We try to address the visible impact of a slower group of falling behind by positively promoting the following Club Bye Law. We have also published a Pace of Play Guide mainly taken from EG.
Bye Law C5. The club has published guidelines on slow play and course etiquette which requires ALL players to take responsibility for the pace of play, showing courtesy and respect to fellow members and knowing their position relative to others on the course. All players are expected to comply with those guidelines, play at a prompt pace, adopting Ready Golf principles if appropriate, keeping up with the group in front on the course (not just ahead of the group behind) . At all times a group losing one clear hole on the group ahead MUST invite the following match to go through, to not do so is a clear breach of course etiquette.
However there can be deviation from this norm. If a group playing a match in a Club knockout competition and faster moving group playing casual golf catches them up, the slower group may keep their place if it is clear that if they let the faster group through they would not be able to complete their match due to failing light.responsibility for the pace of play, showing courtesy and respect to fellow members and knowing their position relative to others on the course.
Members do report instances when a group falls behind - generally a hole +, but they will also challenge the ‘slower’ group on the course - the evidence is visible and objective thereby removing the subjective (and often controversial) description of slow play.
The Bye Law and the Pace of Play Guide on their own do not solve the problem, but Handicap and Competitions Committee do hand out warnings for breach of the Bye Law. To date we have not had to repeat a warning.
Bye Law C5. The club has published guidelines on slow play and course etiquette which requires ALL players to take responsibility for the pace of play, showing courtesy and respect to fellow members and knowing their position relative to others on the course. All players are expected to comply with those guidelines, play at a prompt pace, adopting Ready Golf principles if appropriate, keeping up with the group in front on the course (not just ahead of the group behind) . At all times a group losing one clear hole on the group ahead MUST invite the following match to go through, to not do so is a clear breach of course etiquette.
However there can be deviation from this norm. If a group playing a match in a Club knockout competition and faster moving group playing casual golf catches them up, the slower group may keep their place if it is clear that if they let the faster group through they would not be able to complete their match due to failing light.responsibility for the pace of play, showing courtesy and respect to fellow members and knowing their position relative to others on the course.
Members do report instances when a group falls behind - generally a hole +, but they will also challenge the ‘slower’ group on the course - the evidence is visible and objective thereby removing the subjective (and often controversial) description of slow play.
The Bye Law and the Pace of Play Guide on their own do not solve the problem, but Handicap and Competitions Committee do hand out warnings for breach of the Bye Law. To date we have not had to repeat a warning.
Foxholer
Blackballed
This worked at a previous club.
A group of a dozen - all at/around single figures - were always out first and were only there for their Saturday morning golf and a quick drink after. Most members never saw them.
D
Deleted member 25575
Guest
Thats a fair couple of points, the groups behind i'd suggest would not be punished.
Or start to punish people who are a hole behind and don't let people through, have an open and honest policy, if someone comes in a hole.behind the group in front, ask the group behind if they felt held up/asked and were not let through and sort it out that way.
No issue with slow play if people would let other.groups through when a hole or so behind (not a whole par5). There are ways of improving the situation
Even the concept of 'falling behind' the group ahead us very problematic though. It defines the quickest pace of play as the 'correct' pace, without any grounds. Effectively it's a rule coloured by the views of the (in their own minds anyway) quicker players
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
I can GUARANTEE that if I asked 36 players how they rated themselves speed wise, four or five would say "pretty quick" the rest would say "average". Even the slowest tosspot there wouldn't admit to being slow..
bobmac
Major Champion
Tell a sprinter he can tee off at 07.30 and be home by 11.30, I think most would, if they could, change their plans. Similar to slow players...tell them they can tee off first but they will be expected to go round in 3hrs 30mins. They'd hate it and soon change their plans and tee off later.
One thing is for sure, if clubs don't try something different, nothing will change.
Just telling everyone to play at a certain time (decided by who?) is in my opinion a mistake.
The problem with that is it takes time and would only add to the length of time a slow group would take.
I'm not suggesting all clubs should implement this idea tomorrow and use it for ever more, I'm saying if some clubs try it and it is a success, it could spread to other clubs. It might even attract new members.
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
How many courses do you reckon currently set a reasonably accurate estimated time for a round?
(& then communicate that time to the players each day)
Edit : for that matter, how many forum members expectations of time to play a round actually matches what the course stipulates on that day!
D
Deleted member 30522
Guest
Every club has a booking system now thanks to Covid regs.
D
Deleted member 30522
Guest
Seriously? You just ignored the requirement to have a booking system in place?
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
We had a booking system when we had to due to covid....that requirement has been gone in England since June/July last year.
Our Constitution states that we are a no booking club except at certain times so we reverted to the norm as soon as we could..
No rules broken..
D
Deleted member 30522
Guest
Blimey. So having brought in booking you threw it away? We were a rock up club as well, it was very quickly evident how much better booking was, we will never go back now. We've had one complaint, from a guy in his 70s who refuses to use the internet, doesn't even have an email address or mobile phone. But that's it.
D
Deleted member 15344
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Not strictly true - a number of clubs removed it when the requirement to book was removed
a booking system will help the pace of play a little
Every club will have pace of play issues at some stage and unless you have an on course marshall everywhere there isn’t much you can to stop
The causes of slow play are simple imo
People taking too long over coached PSR
Poor management of their trolley - some attached to it
Not being ready when it’s your turn to play
Making card on green
And mainly - not playing ready golf
D
Deleted member 30522
Guest
As per my reply above, I find that remarkable, and I speak as someone who grudgingly accepted that we had to have a booking system imposed. It's been a revelation in pacing play, keeping log jams on the first tee away, I just cant fathom a club removing booking.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
To be fair, as its in the Constitution of the club there was no choice but to drop the booking system as soon as we were able to.
We had a vote a couple of months later but, as I've posted on other threads, a 3 line whip of this in favour of dropping the system ensured we did.
I'd prefer a booking system, as would a lot of members and the head greenkeeper but that battle has been lost.
We had a vote a couple of months later but, as I've posted on other threads, a 3 line whip of this in favour of dropping the system ensured we did.
I'd prefer a booking system, as would a lot of members and the head greenkeeper but that battle has been lost.
bobmac
Major Champion
How about those who can't walk very fast?
