Should I get PGA qualified?

[North Mimms]

I'm not sure why Just One is thinking of becoming PGA qualified as he seems to think that means he will only be qualified to fix your golf swing with a paper clip and some gaffer tape.

 

[JustOne]

I would suggest that pro's don't teach 'impact' because it is the end result of all the other parts of the swing coming together. Get those right and the impact will take care of itself :thup:

Impact isn't the result of the swing, it's the point of it.

 

[Birchy]

Virtuocity lives 400 miles away!!!... we didn't have more time... I can't see him 10 times for 1/2hr each time.

Gibbo travelled 140 miles round trip, we didn't have more time. it was one day or not at all. You don't drive 70miles each way for 30 mins and a quick fix very often.

That doesnt make it the right way to teach does it?

Just because its not ideal you cant just do it any old way. A bit like some of the other dodgy analogies on this thread

 

[3offTheTee]

Think we need to look at original post. Has a business plan been developed. What are the costs involved ? What is the break even position? Where are the clients' coming from. How saturated is the market? What is the likely demand and what will the existing golf pros do to protect their position.

The pro that I go to is exceptional, repeat exceptional, and understand he takes about £29k per annum. He has other interests and is highl respected. He also told me that thee are 300 assistant pros who do not make it each year.

What makes Just One different?

 

[JustOne]

That doesnt make it the right way to teach does it?

I 'taught' them EXACTLY what they wanted to be 'taught'.

No different than if they'd wanted to be taught a 2 min cure for their slice.

 

[JustOne]

Think we need to look at original post. Has a business plan been developed. What are the costs involved ? What is the break even position? Where are the clients' coming from. How saturated is the market? What is the likely demand and what will the existing golf pros do to protect their position.

The pro that I go to is exceptional, repeat exceptional, and understand he takes about £29k per annum. He has other interests and is highl respected. He also told me that thee are 300 assistant pros who do not make it each year.

What makes Just One different?

Good post. I'm looking at the options, costs, time etc whilst tying to determine what I'd personally get out of it. The financial side doesn't really bother me though, I'd teach for free if I had a base from which to to do so.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Impact isn't the result of the swing, it's the point of it.

I really have no idea what you mean by that statement

 

[pokerjoke]

Good post. I'm looking at the options, costs, time etc whilst tying to determine what I'd personally get out of it. The financial side doesn't really bother me though, I'd teach for free if I had a base from which to to do so.

That's good news.
I think the satisfaction of doing something you love,is seeing the results.
Also results will generate business.
In all walks of life people fail,the ones that don't are the ones that offer a great service,at
a great price and get results.
And maybe offer something different than the norm

 

[Birchy]

I 'taught' them EXACTLY what they wanted to be 'taught'.

No different than if they'd wanted to be taught a 2 min cure for their slice.

So if you became fully qualfied and some geezer came in and said i want a 12 hour range session lesson you would do it?

I know your passionate about teaching etc but you need to do whats best for the pupil. If some fatty wanted to get fit no personal trainer in their right mind would flog them for 4 hours would they??

 

[JustOne]

I really have no idea what you mean by that statement

Ok, no problem. I'll explain it another way for you.

We need to hit the ball with the correct impact conditions for the shot we are going to play, so then we swing the club in a way to create those impact conditions... it's not the other way around.

If you think of the swing as a rocket, we don't just fire them into space for the hell of it... we know where they need to get to, what needs to be done... and THEN send the rocket.

 

[Mungoscorner]

I returned to golf in 2011 after a break of four years due to a serious back problem.
I joined a club and low and behold met a fellow forummer there (small world eh ?), he had a handicap of 28, and was unable to play to it.I could see the root of the problem, but didn't feel it was my place to say, as sometimes offering advice can be taken the wrong way. After playing together for a few weeks, and sharing a few apres golf drinks, i asked if he would let me give him a few pointers, and he agreed.
I did no more than tweek his ball position and grip, i also spoke to him about course management and "taking your medicine".
Within a matter of weeks he was picking up brown envelopes, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, along with a handicap cut of 6 shots !
I didn't start a thread about the results, and i don't consider myself a swing coach.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Ok, no problem. I'll explain it another way for you.

We need to hit the ball with the correct impact conditions for the shot we are going to play, so then we swing the club in a way to create those impact conditions... it's not the other way around.

If you think of the swing as a rocket, we don't just fire them into space for the hell of it... we know where they need to get to, what needs to be done... and THEN send the rocket.

Sounds to me like we are saying the same thing, swing the club correctly and the impact will take care of itself. I have never had a pro teach me to hit at the ball, always swing correctly and the clubface will pick up the ball on the way through.

Impact is purely the end result of getting the rest of the swing correct.

 

[Qwerty]

If you think of the swing as a rocket, we don't just fire them into space for the hell of it... we know where they need to get to, what needs to be done... and THEN send the rocket.

Sounds like something from the Happy Gilmore school of Golf.

 

[JustOne]

Sounds to me like we are saying the same thing, swing the club correctly and the impact will take care of itself. I have never had a pro teach me to hit at the ball, always swing correctly and the clubface will pick up the ball on the way through.

Impact is purely the end result of getting the rest of the swing correct.

No. it's the other way round. If you don't know impact where are you going to swing the club to?

example... you want to hit it low under some branches, you KNOW that you need your hands more forwards and THEN you swing, you don't swing and just HOPE that your hands arrive more forwards - does that make sense? Impact is the point of the swing. We create the correct swing with the club AFTER we know what impact conditions we want.. if you don't know impact then you're just hoping.

 

[fundy]

I returned to golf in 2011 after a break of four years due to a serious back problem.
I joined a club and low and behold met a fellow forummer there (small world eh ?), he had a handicap of 28, and was unable to play to it.I could see the root of the problem, but didn't feel it was my place to say, as sometimes offering advice can be taken the wrong way. After playing together for a few weeks, and sharing a few apres golf drinks, i asked if he would let me give him a few pointers, and he agreed.
I did no more than tweek his ball position and grip, i also spoke to him about course management and "taking your medicine".
Within a matter of weeks he was picking up brown envelopes, 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 1st, along with a handicap cut of 6 shots !
I didn't start a thread about the results, and i don't consider myself a swing coach.

Now I know who to blame each time he beats me!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Mungoscorner]

Now I know who to blame each time he beats me!!!!!!!!!!!

Oops.
Apologies mate.

 

[JustOne]

So if you became fully qualfied and some geezer came in and said i want a 12 hour range session lesson you would do it?

I know your passionate about teaching etc but you need to do whats best for the pupil. If some fatty wanted to get fit no personal trainer in their right mind would flog them for 4 hours would they??

If you folded up a PGA certificate right now and slipped it in my back pocket I don't think I'm suddenly going to become a different person. If I had the time I'd spend as long as they want, just like now.

Is the guy at your club who plays off +1 wrong to stand on the range practicing all day whilst you have your feet up watching TV? Is Vijay Singh wrong to stand in a bunker practicing for 8hrs? There are many different types of people out there... a good teacher would know that

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

No. it's the other way round. If you don't know impact where are you going to swing the club to?

example... you want to hit it low under some branches, you KNOW that you need your hands more forwards and THEN you swing, you don't swing and just HOPE that your hands arrive more forwards - does that make sense? Impact is the point of the swing. We create the correct swing with the club AFTER we know what impact conditions we want.. if you don't know impact then you're just hoping.

This like talking to a brick wall Do you actually read what you post? You have just reiterated everything that I said early ie. you swing the club in the correct manner to produce a particular result.

I've got better things to do with my time that go round in circles, you carry on arguing if you want to :thup:

 

[SocketRocket]

Sounds to me like we are saying the same thing, swing the club correctly and the impact will take care of itself. I have never had a pro teach me to hit at the ball, always swing correctly and the clubface will pick up the ball on the way through.

Impact is purely the end result of getting the rest of the swing correct.

The impact conditions decide how the ball will travel. Straight, fade, slice, draw, hook, high, low, thin, ducked etc. The impact zone where the clubface strikes the ball and how it strikes it is the most important part of the golf swing, the rest (take away, backswing, transition, downswing, release, follow through) are all components that assist in good impact conditions but do not actually create them.

I agree with JO that (most) golfers would be better armed in their learning experience if they were first educated in impact conditions and their effects on ball flight.

 

[JustOne]

This like talking to a brick wall Do you actually read what you post? You have just reiterated everything that I said early ie. you swing the club in the correct manner to produce a particular result.

I've got better things to do with my time that go round in circles, you carry on arguing if you want to :thup:

Perhaps someone else will step in and explain it in a way to you that you understand.

I'm not arguing, I was trying to help you understand. If you don't want to or can't then that's OK with me.



You can't produce a 'particular result' if you didn't know the result you were trying to achieve BEFORE you swing the club. The whole reason you are swinging the club is to create impact. Impact is the whole point of the swing it's why you swing the club, it's not just a result of swinging the club... I can swing the club 1000 ways and NOT achieve impact.