Should caddies be allowed to line their players up?

[delc]

:mmm:

I clicked no then before I pressed 'vote' I changed it to yes, reason being if a caddy noticed a misaligned stance on the fairway for an awkward shot should they not be able to highlight it to the player before a stroke is made?

Caddies really aren't standing directly next to players moving the club face left/right so I think its a bit of a non-issue really as the alignment assistance I've seen on TV is more a sanity check rather than correctional in its nature

Do we actually know what the caddies are telling their players while they are standing behind the line of play???

 

[chrisd]

I didn't bring the claw grip into the argument, that was rickg! And I am prepared to defend my views against the more fatuous arguments against, such as your football analogy. Any rules have to be fair to both teams and all players, whatever the sport!

... but without trawling back, you did claim that about 25% of the vets at your club have converted to the claw grip after you started to use it

My football analogy was just about as stupid as I could think of whilst posting, and was written clearly in that vein. It was to highlight the ridiculousness of some of the threads that you, not only started, but continued to argue in favour of, like the hole size, even when it was clear that hardly anyone agreed with you. Also, your views are as welcome as anyone's, but, if you're going to argue on the rules of golf you do need to get them right first.

I really don't have a problem with you and have never had a vendetta on a forum Del, but I have as much right to say that your views are tosh when I think they are, and, happy when you do likewise!

 

[Slab]

:mmm:
Do we actually know what the caddies are telling their players while they are standing behind the line of play???

I agree I think we need to mic them up for TV coverage

What I mean is that those that I see getting what you & I are guessing is alignment assistance, are not physically adjusting anything with the player or the club and that's where I'd draw a line (not an alignment line obviously)

 

[garyinderry]

red button caddy mic would be a great option! it would give a real insight into how the player and caddy see the shot.

 

[Allanxyz]

red button caddy mic would be a great option! it would give a real insight into how the player and caddy see the shot.

Liking this idea... it would give great insight as you say. To hear what goes when something goes wrong would be interesting. I suspect silence in most cases, but it could be quite revealing.

 

[DCB]

:mmm:
Do we actually know what the caddies are telling their players while they are standing behind the line of play???

"Boss.... if I don't move from here soon there'll be some old duffer whinging about this on the Golf monthly Forum before we finish the round"

 

[Foxholer]

Can I just ask.

Why are you so passionate about a rule changed that has no bearing on how you, personally, play?

As an aside.

If you were in a doubles match, can your partner line you up, in EXACTLY the way a caddie does without penalty?

1) Because I dislike watching caddies lining up pro players who should be capable of doing that for themselves.
2) Yes.

Del. Your reply is illogical (imo).

 

[delc]

Del. Your reply is illogical (imo).

Why? I answered the question in order. Playing partners and caddies are allowed to advise and assist their partner or player. Opponents and fellow competitors are not.

 

[delc]

80 votes in so far, and still 3 days to go if you want to vote in this poll.

 

[Foxholer]

Why? I answered the question in order. Playing partners and caddies are allowed to advise and assist their partner or player. Opponents and fellow competitors are not.

Because....
You state that players should be capable lining themselves (without Caddies doing/confirming it).
Then you state that Playing Partners should be able to (confirm) line-up (while Caddies shouldn't).

Though perhaps you simply answered Gareth's question literally ('can') - rather than as I believe he intended ('should').

 

[Colin L]

:mmm:
Do we actually know what the caddies are telling their players while they are standing behind the line of play???

Up a bit.
Down a bit.
Right a bit.

Bernie - the bolt!

[Some of you youngsters will not recognise the allusion]

 

[MadAdey]

:mmmo we actually know what the caddies are telling their players while they are standing behind the line of play???

So let me get this correct. You do not actually know what the caddies are saying, you just assume they are lining them up. So your thread about caddies lining them up may not be the case is what you are saying. Or have I misread your post?

 

[delc]

So let me get this correct. You do not actually know what the caddies are saying, you just assume they are lining them up. So your thread about caddies lining them up may not be the case is what you are saying. Or have I misread your post?

There must be some reason why caddies stand directly behind their player's line of play, and then move away from the line (as they are required to do by Rule 14-2b) just before the players makes his shot. I can't personally see any other reason, other than checking or advising on correct alignment!

 

[Foxholer]

There must be some reason why caddies stand directly behind their player's line of play, and then move away from the line (as they are required to do by Rule 14-2b) just before the players makes his shot. I can't personally see any other reason, other than checking or advising on correct alignment!

So you don't really know that they are lining their players up, but because you don't like seeing them behind the players and assume that they are lining them up, you think that Caddies should be banned from lining them up!

And should Playing Partners also be banned from doing so? Or just Caddies - perhaps because they dress less tidily than players?

Btw. I don't particularly like it either, but don't see why someone on the same 'team' as the player shouldn't be allowed to provide the player with the confidence they desire, as long as it doesn't take an excessive amount of time - and that line-up confirmation adds a second or 2 at most (if indeed any) to the overall pre-shot time.

 

[Hickory_Hacker]

No.

 

[Foxholer]

No.

Didn't need a post for that!

Why not? They can advise them on everything else about the game! And, in fact, do everything for them except actually hit the shot! They are Coach, Manager, Whipping Boy and general dogsbody to the player!

 

[Allanxyz]

So you don't really know that they are lining their players up, but because you don't like seeing them behind the players and assume that they are lining them up, you think that Caddies should be banned from lining them up!

And should Playing Partners also be banned from doing so? Or just Caddies - perhaps because they dress less tidily than players?

Btw. I don't particularly like it either, but don't see why someone on the same 'team' as the player shouldn't be allowed to provide the player with the confidence they desire, as long as it doesn't take an excessive amount of time - and that line-up confirmation adds a second or 2 at most (if indeed any) to the overall pre-shot time.

i think it's generally accepted that lining up of players happens... Especially on the LET. I think in a GM interview Melissa Reid was directly asked about it... So to say that because you can't hear the caddies and players means it doesn't happen is nonsense.

I guess the question is, what should someone in the same "team" be able to do... Take a shot for their team member... Hole a putt? It's just a question of where the line should be drawn... I think the team member lining up the player is a step too far...

 

[Foxholer]

i think it's generally accepted that lining up of players happens... Especially on the LET. I think in a GM interview Melissa Reid was directly asked about it... So to say that because you can't hear the caddies and players means it doesn't happen is nonsense.

Oh! I know it happens. I've been there and been asked to do it!

My comment was about the daft process that Del seems to have gone through - see the post I quoted.
1. I don't like seeing caddies moving behind the player, though I'm not absolutely certain why they are doing it.
2. Let's ban caddies lining up players, because that's probably what they were doing!

 

[delc]

So you don't really know that they are lining their players up, but because you don't like seeing them behind the players and assume that they are lining them up, you think that Caddies should be banned from lining them up!

And should Playing Partners also be banned from doing so? Or just Caddies - perhaps because they dress less tidily than players?

Btw. I don't particularly like it either, but don't see why someone on the same 'team' as the player shouldn't be allowed to provide the player with the confidence they desire, as long as it doesn't take an excessive amount of time - and that line-up confirmation adds a second or 2 at most (if indeed any) to the overall pre-shot time.

If Rule 14-2b was altered in the way I suggested, neither a caddie or a playing partner would be allowed to stand directly behind the player's line of play once he or she is in the process of taking his or her stance. Essentially players would be responsible for their own alignment, as is the case anyway for players without caddies or PP's. Caddies and PP's would still be allowed to advise on which line to take and which club to use, etc

 

[HomerJSimpson]

If Rule 14-2b was altered in the way I suggested, neither a caddie or a playing partner would be allowed to stand directly behind the player's line of play once he or she is in the process of taking his or her stance. Essentially players would be responsible for their own alignment, as is the case anyway for players without caddies or PP's. Caddies and PP's would still be allowed to advise on which line to take and which club to use, etc

What is it with you wanting to change every rule in the book. Why not just re-write them, get them to the R&A and tell them that this is the gospel according to Delc and the answer to worldwide golf's problems once and for all :rofl: