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Shamima Begum - In or Out

Hobbit said:
ISIS is/was a proscribed organisation, and she could be charged with membership. The sentencing guidelines/matrix is fairly clear. However, defining where she fitted into the hierarchy will be more difficult.

Sentence for being a member starts at 2 years and goes up or down depending on involvement. It could be reduced to a high level community order, or it could be increased to 4 years custody.

If she was an active member, for example the stories of her being an enforcer in the morality police, the sentence starts at 5 years but, again, can be mitigated or increased to a max of 7 years.

The higher sentences are for prominent members. Rule that one out.

I’d expect her defence, as per the guidelines, will include age on entry, grooming, exploitation, coercion and intimidation. That’s all assuming she does get back to the U.K. and wins the reinstatement of her citizenship.
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If she does get sentenced I'd want her to get the maximum. Life in Swindon.
 
Let's say she comes back to the UK. Gets sentenced for 4 years, serves 2 and is then released. What then?

Maybe she becomes totally reformed and sets an amazing example of our justice system, or, maybe due to the inevitable hatred directed towards her and the mental scarring of the past 10 years of her life, she decides to end it all in a very crowded area. Sadly, I know where my money is.

This is a political nightmare but she should be left where she is.
 
Junior said:
Let's say she comes back to the UK. Gets sentenced for 4 years, serves 2 and is then released. What then?

I believe she would be given a new identity and be closely monitored for her protection and for the protection of others. Even shipped abroad if possible eg New Zealand or Canada.

Maybe she becomes totally reformed and sets an amazing example of our justice system, or, maybe due to the inevitable hatred directed towards her and the mental scarring of the past 10 years of her life, she decides to end it all in a very crowded area. Sadly, I know where my money is.

Unlikely. No terrorist organisation will have her because she will be closely monitored and therefore a risk to their own exposure. Also she is a failure in that respect and undesirable. Acting alone to commit a violent act is a possibility but she would have to be very clever not to be suspected beforehand and I don't think she is very clever (sheep mentality). Merely making preparations to commit a violent act would put her back in prison.

This is a political nightmare but she should be left where she is.
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... I hope so.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
It doesn't work that way. Otherwise you would not be arguing that we could not simply do the same. They don't want her, don't blame them, but it is in the realms of technicalities now. It is where the legal people make money.
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It appears that she definitely had UK citizenship, and that it was removed on the "strength" of the UK's claim that she was eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, not that she had it, just that she was eligible.
Bangladesh says she isn't and it really up to them whether she gets it or not.
If Bangladesh says not there's no way for the UK to force it to give her citizenship.
As the UK has signed on to treaties that promise not to make someone stateless it looks as though, once this is all over, she'll have her UK citizenship returned.
 
She is our problem really.
Born and brought up here.
If we make her stateless ,unlawful?
We have no moral ground to ever deport a foreign criminal.

She was aiding and abetting a terror network ,I am sure our clever CPS can come up with a sutible charge in court.
But I have very little trust in our criminal justice system atm.
Terrorists let out after half the sentence to kill people in London .
Terror related sentences should not be halved but served in full and made longer.
 
GuyInLyon said:
It appears that she definitely had UK citizenship, and that it was removed on the "strength" of the UK's claim that she was eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship, not that she had it, just that she was eligible.
Bangladesh says she isn't and it really up to them whether she gets it or not.
If Bangladesh says not there's no way for the UK to force it to give her citizenship.
As the UK has signed on to treaties that promise not to make someone stateless it looks as though, once this is all over, she'll have her UK citizenship returned.
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No one disputes that she had UK citizenship but at this point the courts agree with the UK in their actions. That may change, it may not. Who knows when it comes to legal matters.
 
Voyager EMH said:
Ahem, Broome Manor is one of the best Pay-and-Plays in the country.
Community service would be good for her though - directing traffic standing at the centre of the Magic Roundabout 6 days a week.
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I think the Magic Roundabout was designed to stop people leaving. I knew a bloke who was a rear gunner on a Taxi in Toothill.
 
My brother lived in Swindon for 3 years.................................then emigrated to Australia.

When he applied for a visa at the Australian embassy they asked whether he had a criminal record. He replied, "I didn't realise you still needed one."
 
Save everyone the bother of further discussion

1) If you think she's done nothing wrong - you are a lefty snowflake and possibly even a vegan!

2) If you think she has done something wrong - you are a racist bigot and might even play golf in long socks.

Being young and impressionable is no defence....if you play cricket, but it might be ok for support of Terror Groups! :-)
 
IanM said:
Save everyone the bother of further discussion

1) If you think she's done nothing wrong - you are a lefty snowflake and possibly even a vegan!

2) If you think she has done something wrong - you are a racist bigot and might even play golf in long socks.

Being young and impressionable is no defence....if you play cricket, but it might be ok for support of Terror Groups! :)
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Oh…… shall I close the thread then? ?
 
IanM said:
Save everyone the bother of further discussion

1) If you think she's done nothing wrong - you are a lefty snowflake and possibly even a vegan!

2) If you think she has done something wrong - you are a racist bigot and might even play golf in long socks.

Being young and impressionable is no defence....if you play cricket, but it might be ok for support of Terror Groups! :)
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You forgot one thing for alternative 1. They like to be referred to as they/them.
 
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