Second vote ? Why not .?

[bladeplayer]

So as an outsider (technicaly) and following coverage on different meda outlets if the leave side are so sure leaving is still what the majority want , why not have a second vote .?

The way I see it the ordinary joe soaps on the street now have a good if not better idea of the advantages /disadvantages of the result..
I have no doubt both sides enhanced the good and bad to influence the vote their way .

Now all this is about to get very very serious why not give the people a chance to change their mind , either way, and get a result you know for definite the majority want ..

Has any1 really got anything to lose by a second vote ? If the majority still see out as the best option, it will be out, but if some feel they. mistakenly voted or voted without the full info of consequences haven't they got the right to change their minds

Just interested in how you the real people feel , any of ye want a second vote or happy to go with first result ?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think the problem is even if there is a second vote the result again will be too close to please enough people , because they didn’t go for a “needs to be 70%” etc it was always going to cause issues

Also if people did vote to stay in - you would the get them people who voted out demanding a “best of three”

I think the sensible way would be to have another vote and state that we will leave if the result is over 70% of the votes say leave - but I don’t expect that to happen

But I think they do need to have a second vote now more know about the risks and potential rewards

 

[Hobbit]

Do the people know more now? They had months of truths(lies) before the last vote. How much of what they've been told since is the truth? Do you think the campaigning during a second round would be truthful?

We constantly hear that some Leavers will have changed their mind. I wonder how many Remainers have changed theirs?

On the one hand I feel a second vote on whether or not to accept the deal is a very good thing, but not a second vote on Leave or Remain. Second vote on deal/no deal but still leave. Enact the result of the first vote, that's democracy.

 

[Blue in Munich]

When do we stop? Best of 3, best of 5, where? We voted out; can we please get on with it?

 

[AmandaJR]

We voted and it was the vote of the people to leave. "Vote of the People" is something I keep hearing from those wanting another chance to get the result they wanted. It's as if somehow it wasn't the vote of the people to leave - but it was - accept it, move on and focus on how we leave on the best possible terms.

It's also an insult to those that voted leave to suggest they were ignorant to the consequences and now would vote differently.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

When do we stop? Best of 3, best of 5, where? We voted out; can we please get on with it?

This is my view as well. We had a vote, carry it out now. No need for another. (I voted Remain incidentally)

 

[chrisd]

I reckon that the entire leave process has been deliberately totally cocked up in order to put us in a remain frame of mind and for that reason the democratic will of the people is being undermined, given that remainers have been conducting the negotiations. Even yesterday the BBC were spouting the Government "worst case scenario" papers as what will happen if we leave with no deal, my understanding is that the papers were designed to show the very worst things that could conceivably happen in the most extreme circumstances

I'm even more determined that we should tell the EU where to shove it!

 

[fundy]

I think the problem is even if there is a second vote the result again will be too close to please enough people , because they didn’t go for a “needs to be 70%” etc it was always going to cause issues

Also if people did vote to stay in - you would the get them people who voted out demanding a “best of three”

I think the sensible way would be to have another vote and state that we will leave if the result is over 70% of the votes say leave - but I don’t expect that to happen

But I think they do need to have a second vote now more know about the risks and potential rewards

This makes no sense. The bar was set at 50%, 51% voted to leave, lets now vote again and set the bar at 70%???? Can vote 5 times in the next 10 years and neither side will get over 60%! If you set the bar at 70% in a general election you'd never have a ruling party!

 

[Deleted member 21784]

It was a decision that should never have been given to the general public. Nobody is educated enough to know what it would mean. Should be left to the people we pay to make the laws and govern the country.

 

[BrianM]

I voted remain, but the majority went for leave, that’s democracy.
Don’t think I’d be too impressed if they decided to have another vote and I was in the leave camp.
Let’s just get on with it.

 

[fundy]

It was a decision that should never have been given to the general public. Nobody is educated enough to know what it would mean. Should be left to the people we pay to make the laws and govern the country.

yep but one of them (or those who directed him) was too clever and thought he could create his own legacy by giving the vote to the people and them doing as he expected, it backfired and he sailed off into the sunset leaving everyone else to sort out the mess created

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This makes no sense. The bar was set at 50%, 51% voted to leave, lets now vote again and set the bar at 70%???? Can vote 5 times in the next 10 years and neither side will get over 60%! If you set the bar at 70% in a general election you'd never have a ruling party!

I think with it being a highest result wins there was always going to be the potential for the fallout with have had - yep 51% voted to leave but that leaves just under half the country who voted to stay - that for me isn’t great.

For me the vote should have been at a level that gives a clear result - maybe 70% is too much but with the way it went I think it’s divided the country more than ever. It seems to be a constant battle against both sides and don’t see it getting any better in fact can only see it getting worse the divide. Such a shame that politicians have really ruined our country to the point everyone is prob fed up and he enough.

I have no idea what the answer is - in or out but Christ I just want what’s best for the people and not screw ourselves over just to spite the EU

 

[Deleted member 21784]

yep but one of them (or those who directed him) was too clever and thought he could create his own legacy by giving the vote to the people and them doing as he expected, it backfired and he sailed off into the sunset leaving everyone else to sort out the mess created

I’ve said from day one it will be stopped by the MPs and hopefully that still happens. It’s just getting stupid. We had this long to sort out a deal but just stalling after stalling.

From day one if this was ever going to go well they needed a team of mp,s with a mix of labour, Tory, liberal etc so they could do what’s best for the country and not have the other parties just vote it down because it’s a Tory plan.

One big mess

 

[chrisd]

I’ve said from day one it will be stopped by the MPs and hopefully that still happens. It’s just getting stupid. We had this long to sort out a deal but just stalling after stalling.

From day one if this was ever going to go well they needed a team of mp,s with a mix of labour, Tory, liberal etc so they could do what’s best for the country and not have the other parties just vote it down because it’s a Tory plan.

One big mess

And that's why it couldn't be left to our MP'S as they wouldn't have had a free vote and it would have been a party whip vote

 

[Piece]

When do we stop? Best of 3, best of 5, where? We voted out; can we please get on with it?

Yup, nailed it. 99.9% of us won't/don't know the whole details so it's pointless having another ref. If anything the picture is far more confusing now than it was originally.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

It was a decision that should never have been given to the general public. Nobody is educated enough to know what it would mean. Should be left to the people we pay to make the laws and govern the country.

Now where have I heard that before?

Oh yes......you must mean the same people that took us from the common market to the EU without consulting us?

 

[fundy]

The thing is, I dont think any of us genuinely know if we as a country are better off in or out, even still. We get given information in small parcels, never the big picture, there is massive amounts of distraction, distortion and misinformation as people/organisations etc pursue their own agenda at the cost of the country as a whole and the individuals within. the days of independent news reporting etc are very long gone

 

[Hobbit]

I’ve said from day one it will be stopped by the MPs and hopefully that still happens. It’s just getting stupid. We had this long to sort out a deal but just stalling after stalling.

From day one if this was ever going to go well they needed a team of mp,s with a mix of labour, Tory, liberal etc so they could do what’s best for the country and not have the other parties just vote it down because it’s a Tory plan.

One big mess

It was the MP's that were given a free vote, and voted overwhelmingly, to decide whether or not to have the referendum. So you trust the idiots that made the first mistake to now do the right thing, whatever that is?

I agree it should have been a X-party committee to decide what deal is best, but they did set up a x-party committee, chaired by Hilary Benn to overview the negotiations and make suggestions. Guess what, it followed party lines rather than look for the best solutions.

If you are expecting MP's to do the right thing, good luck. It is a mess, and it sure won't get any better.

 

[drdel]

The EU has a history of ignoring the opinions expressed and keep nations voting until the result is the one they want.

Hopefully the UK will not bow to the wishes of the EU and the likes of Clegg, Corbyn and others who have crawled across the channel and briefed Barnier and his cronies against the democratically taken decision - hang them for treason.

 

[Rlburnside]

yep but one of them (or those who directed him) was too clever and thought he could create his own legacy by giving the vote to the people and them doing as he expected, it backfired and he sailed off into the sunset leaving everyone else to sort out the mess created

Yes agree 100%, Cameron promised a vote to appease the right wing of his party and it backfired on him badly, he must shoulder most of blame for the mess the country finds itself in, shameful he just walked away and washed his hands of it, his legacy will be one of the worst PMs we have ever had.

I voted remain and just wish the politicians would respect the vote of the majority and get us out be it for good or bad.