Scottish v English football

[Dodger]

True but I would still back them over a season against the 6th placed team in the SPL, or the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, or 1st.

It wasn't a us v you post simply saying that Spurs are rank but are 6th in the league. Outside the current top 5 the rest are pretty dire.

None of them would do anything in Europe against comparative sides from other nations yet this is supposed to be the 'best league in the world'.

My arse. Great product but the league is full of some dreadful sides in reality.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It wasn't a us v you post simply saying that Spurs are rank but are 6th in the league. Outside the current top 5 the rest are pretty dire.

None of them would do anything in Europe against comparative sides from other nations yet this is supposed to be the 'best league in the world'.

My arse. Great product but the league is full of some dreadful sides in reality.

Yet you watch Southampton with a very good performance yesterday and have produced a number of them this year.

Spurs for example would be on par would the team in 6th in Spain , Germany and Italy and would be the same all the way down the league.

 

[Dodger]

Yet you watch Southampton with a very good performance yesterday and have produced a number of them this year.

Spurs for example would be on par would the team in 6th in Spain , Germany and Italy and would be the same all the way down the league.

Aye, against that footballing powerhouse that is Newcastle. What was I saying about dreadful teams?:smirk:

 

[PhilTheFragger]

It wasn't a us v you post simply saying that Spurs are rank but are 6th in the league. Outside the current top 5 the rest are pretty dire.

None of them would do anything in Europe against comparative sides from other nations yet this is supposed to be the 'best league in the world'.

My arse. Great product but the league is full of some dreadful sides in reality.

Agree, but no different to any other league in the world, you are always going to have a small number of top teams with some also rans and those who perpetually struggle year in year out.

the difference here is that there are still 4 teams in with a chance of winning the title, up in Scotland , its all over as there is no credible opposition to rival Celtic so its a 1 horse race, the SPL is a non event until you get come competition back.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Aye, against that footballing powerhouse that is Newcastle. What was I saying about dreadful teams?:smirk:

Which footballing powerhouses are below 6th in the other leagues ?

Have a look at the various tables and guess which 6th team is closer to the top in all the leagues ?

BTW the German league is done and dusted , the Italy league is done and dusted

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Agree, but no different to any other league in the world, you are always going to have a small number of top teams with some also rans and those who perpetually struggle year in year out.

the difference here is that there are still 4 teams in with a chance of winning the title, up in Scotland , its all over as there is no credible opposition to rival Celtic so its a 1 horse race, the SPL is a non event until you get come competition back.

Now one would disagree with that summary Phil, but is that not what this thread is all about.
A couple of years ago two run of the mill Scottish central defenders completely blotted out the Liverpool attack which included Suarez in a Europa cup game. Yet we have people on here telling us that Scottish football is totally rubbish.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Aye, against that footballing powerhouse that is Newcastle. What was I saying about dreadful teams?:smirk:

Agree with you but I would say that the chances of one of the relegation candidates defeating one of the top teams is greater in the EPL compared with the other major leagues in Europe.

This, at least, adds to the unpredictability and, thus, the entertainment value.

 

[Dodger]

Which footballing powerhouses are below 6th in the other leagues ?

You struggle to find anything poor about that league don't you? Look at how the teams from the league have done in the Uefa/Europa Cup or whatever that dire tournament that they wrecked is now called.....not well bar Chelsea who were parachuted in from CL.

I am sure you can agree that the teams from 5th down really are not as fantastic as Sky make out tho?

And Newcastle are up there with as bad as it gets at the moment.

Fragger, no-one is arguing about the standard of the SPFL. To be honest it surprises me how decent we tend to do when it comes to Europe when you consider the crap we play against week in week out and the funding however as poor as people tend to think we are I still think we would finish anywhere from 8th to 5th if we were parachuted into the 'best league in the world' next season. The rest of the SPFL teams however would go straight down with record points totals.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Now one would disagree with that summary Phil, but is that not what this thread is all about.
A couple of years ago two run of the mill Scottish central defenders completely blotted out the Liverpool attack which included Suarez in a Europa cup game. Yet we have people on here telling us that Scottish football is totally rubbish.

You blotted out a Liverpool in one game - a game we still won , a game early in a season with a new manager - you can't compare based on one game

Rubin Kazan once stopped Messi scoring - as did a club called Cluzj ( I think it was )

Does that suddenly make Romania Football as good as the Spanish league ? Or the Ukrainian League as good as the Spanish League

Celtic beat Barce once - is a Scottish Football as good as the Spanish ?

Your National team hasn't qualified for a tournament for decades now ( was it 98 the last one ) , you league is a procession for one team , the rest of the teams would struggle in the championship.

Unless you think they would survive in the Prem ?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Now one would disagree with that summary Phil, but is that not what this thread is all about.
A couple of years ago two run of the mill Scottish central defenders completely blotted out the Liverpool attack which included Suarez in a Europa cup game. Yet we have people on here telling us that Scottish football is totally rubbish.

You keep referring to one off performances but there will always be "Cup upsets".

They, in isolation, say nothing about relative strengths of leagues.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You struggle to find anything poor about that league don't you? Look at how the teams from the league have done in the Uefa/Europa Cup or whatever that dire tournament that they wrecked is now called.....not well bar Chelsea who were parachuted in from CL.

I am sure you can agree that the teams from 5th down really are not as fantastic as Sky make out tho?

And Newcastle are up there with as bad as it gets at the moment.

Fragger, no-one is arguing about the standard of the SPFL. To be honest it surprises me how decent we tend to do when it comes to Europe when you consider the crap we play against week in week out and the funding however as poor as people tend to think we are I still think we would finish anywhere from 8th to 5th if we were parachuted into the 'best league in the world' next season. The rest of the SPFL teams however would go straight down with record points totals.

When did Sky make those teams out to be "fantastic" ?

Teams from England that go into Europa are normally the national cup winners - Swansea and Wigan plus who came 5th. We have won it , had teams get to the latter stages and finals.

The Prem is one of the most exciting leagues in club football, it's full of talented players with some great teams and it's a battle from the day it starts to the day it finishes - it has quality games in it. It's the most watch league in the world - other countries pay millions to watch it because of the players in it and the excitement.

The Prem league is great to watch IMO and it appears it's an opinion shared by many.

 

[PhilTheFragger]

Fragger, no-one is arguing about the standard of the SPFL. To be honest it surprises me how decent we tend to do when it comes to Europe when you consider the crap we play against week in week out and the funding however as poor as people tend to think we are I still think we would finish anywhere from 8th to 5th if we were parachuted into the 'best league in the world' next season. The rest of the SPFL teams however would go straight down with record points totals.

I reckon thats a pretty fair assessment id put Celtic at about the same level as Spurs or Everton if they had the same level of funding that those teams have from TV rights etc

Dont see them winning, but they would certainly hold their own, with regard to the other SPl teams, yes I agree most would struggle, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Dundee would be mid table at best, the rest would give the championship a run.

Not sure if the EPl is the best in the world, but it is certainly one of the best,

have to say, it would be good to see Scotland qualify for a major tournament so my fingers are crossed for the Euros in 2 years time

 

[Dodger]

I reckon thats a pretty fair assessment id put Celtic at about the same level as Spurs or Everton if they had the same level of funding that those teams have from TV rights etc

Dont see them winning, but they would certainly hold their own, with regard to the other SPl teams, yes I agree most would struggle, Aberdeen, Motherwell and Dundee would be mid table at best, the rest would give the championship a run.

Not sure if the EPl is the best in the world, but it is certainly one of the best,

have to say, it would be good to see Scotland qualify for a major tournament so my fingers are crossed for the Euros in 2 years time

Phil with all due respect you have a misunderstanding of the SPFL.

Those sides would be nowhere near mid table,they would go down quicker than the Titanic and it's Dundee United by the way.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

You blotted out a Liverpool in one game - a game we still won , a game early in a season with a new manager - you can't compare based on one game

Rubin Kazan once stopped Messi scoring - as did a club called Cluzj ( I think it was )

Does that suddenly make Romania Football as good as the Spanish league ? Or the Ukrainian League as good as the Spanish League

Celtic beat Barce once - is a Scottish Football as good as the Spanish ?

Your National team hasn't qualified for a tournament for decades now ( was it 98 the last one ) , you league is a procession for one team , the rest of the teams would struggle in the championship.

Unless you think they would survive in the Prem ?

Good God it is like wading through treacle.

It was a TWO off game for Hearts with a new manager at the beginning of the season, or does that not count.

NO ONE is disagreeing that the EPL is better than the SPL.
What some are saying it is not as big as the English press/fans think it is.
You only have to look past the top six and teams that a couple of years ago were in the EPL.
Teams like Wolves, Birmingham, Watford, Middlesborough ETC ETC

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Good God it is like wading through treacle.

It was a one off game for Hearts with a new manager at the beginning of the season, or does that not count.

NO ONE is disagreeing that the EPL is better than the SPL.
What some are saying it is not as big as the English press/fans think it is.
You only have to look past the top six and teams that a couple of years ago were in the EPL.
Teams like Wolves, Birmingham, Watford, Middlesborough ETC ETC

What about Wolves etc ? Think Boro actually got to the UEFA cup final recently

Are you saying that all the other leagues in Europe are littered with quality teams from top to bottom ?!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

1] Like Rangers then.

2] Whatever makes you think that, I thought we were talking about the 'best league in the world'.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

1] Like Rangers then.

2] Whatever makes you think that, I thought we were talking about the 'best league in the world'.

But no one has suggested Rangers are a dire club - Celtic also got to a final but there are the top two in Scotland - Boro and Fulham are normally bottom half teams yet have reached European Finals.

And people will think the Prem is the Best League in the World - all depends on what you mean by "Best"

For me for excitement its unrivalled - quality throughout from top to bottom compared to the other leagues and its on par with La Liga. Its top teams on up with the best in club football. So what makes other leagues better than the prem ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Phil I know your experience of Scottish Fitba is a bit vague. Celtic actually got to 3 European finals and a further 4 semi finals.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Phil I know your experience of Scottish Fitba is a bit vague. Celtic actually got to 3 European finals and a further 4 semi finals.

We are talking recent times here not back in the 50's and 60's.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

We are talking recent times here not back in the 50's and 60's.

You crack me up..... got an excuse for everything.