Scottish v English football

[Dodger]

So why would they become of the biggest in the prem then ?

What are your reasons ? Genuine question

Im just struggling to see why the top players would go there - the players that are essential to get clubs to the top level in the prem

And which two clubs would be above Celtic after 2 or 3 seasons ?

http://talksport.com/magazine/big-p...-liverpool-arsenal-barca-real-or-chelsea?p=12

The club is huge even at the moment in the tin pot league. Given a huge shot of cash would enable them to become even bigger and pay the wages top players are looking for and the club would build and build.I'd be confident of selling 55k plus season books if they were ever to get into that league and the off field injection of coin would be massive.

We,not so long ago, sold 54k season books to watch games v Hamilton,Raith Rovers etc....

Top players go to top clubs for 2 things......CL football and/or money both of which would be available within a short period of time at Glasgow Celtic.

Am I not even sure there would be anyone above us within 5 years but I would expect Man Utd, Chelsea and City to compete.

I'll say it again, folk outwith Scotland have absolutely no idea what a massive massive club Celtic are and for what it's worth Sevco ran well have humongous potential too. Fan base wise they both dwarf the likes of City,Liverpool,Chelsea, Arsenal etc.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The club is huge even at the moment in the tin pot league. Given a huge shot of cash would enable them to become even bigger and pay the wages top players are looking for and the club would build and build.I'd be confident of selling 55k plus season books if they were ever to get into that league and the off field injection of coin would be massive.

We,not so long ago, sold 54k season books to watch games v Hamilton,Raith Rovers etc....

Top players go to top clubs for 2 things......CL football and/or money both of which would be available within a short period of time at Glasgow Celtic.

Am I not even sure there would be anyone above us within 5 years but I would expect Man Utd, Chelsea and City to compete.

I'll say it again, folk outwith Scotland have absolutely no idea what a massive massive club Celtic are and for what it's worth Sevco ran well have humongous potential too. Fan base wise they both dwarf the likes of City,Liverpool,Chelsea, Arsenal etc.

Did you read that link i posted ?

You really think fan wise you dwarf those teams - your clubs are well below the top clubs in the prem.

Many teams in the league have injections of cash yet still dont attract the top players and dont get into the CL - Newcastle is a perfect example for you.

What exactly are you using to judge the size of Celtic ? That link i posted has the top 13 clubs in terms of fanbase - Celtic arent in it.

I have lived and worked in Scotland - have worked alongside many Celtic fans - been in Cyprus when they have been out there - i know they are a big club - but nowhere near the size of the top clubs in the prem. Think the last number in 2012 ws 9 mil world wide

In all honesty Celtic would prob be a club alongside the likes of Newcastle - you wouldnt attract the top players unless you get Man City money to pay mercenary wages - even then players would still pick a great deal number of clubs before Celtic even if in the prem.

I can understand you have a rosey picture of your club - just like i have of mine - but to suggest they would be bigger than everyone bar Man Utd in terms of anything is laughable - truely laughable.

 

[Dodger]

Did you read that link i posted ?

You really think fan wise you dwarf those teams - your clubs are well below the top clubs in the prem.

Many teams in the league have injections of cash yet still dont attract the top players and dont get into the CL - Newcastle is a perfect example for you.

What exactly are you using to judge the size of Celtic ? That link i posted has the top 13 clubs in terms of fanbase - Celtic arent in it.

I have lived and worked in Scotland - have worked alongside many Celtic fans - been in Cyprus when they have been out there - i know they are a big club - but nowhere near the size of the top clubs in the prem.

In all honesty Celtic would prob be a club alongside the likes of Newcastle - you wouldnt attract the top players unless you get Man City money to pay mercenary wages - even then players would still pick a great deal number of clubs before Celtic even if in the prem.

I can understand you have a rosey picture of your club - just like i have of mine - but to suggest they would be bigger than everyone bar Man Utd in terms of anything is laughable - truely laughable.

You put on a link from Talksport and expect me to a) Read it and b) take it with any credence?

I am unsurprised that an englishman doubts that Celtic are every bit as big as the top clubs,it's nothing new and I am happy for you to continue to live in your Liverpool/English bubble.

In truth neither of us can prove that we could or could not be big,I believe we would you don't and until such time as the opportunity comes along we'll never truly know but one thing is for sure we would dwarf at least half that league without trying.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You put on a link from Talksport and expect me to a) Read it and b) take it with any credence?

I am unsurprised that an englishman doubts that Celtic are every bit as big as the top clubs,it's nothing new and I am happy for you to continue to live in your Liverpool/English bubble.

In truth neither of us can prove that we could or could not be big,I believe we would you don't and until such time as the opportunity comes along we'll never truly know but one thing is for sure we would dwarf at least half that league without trying.

Well the link was a survey of worldwide fan bases with the figures associated with them - clubs talking in the world wide figures of over 150 mil - Celtic were not in the list and their Wiki has them a great deal lower.

Prob being a big fish in a very small pond has given the impression of bigger size but in the prem Celtic filter in with the rest - the parallels with Newcastle are perfect. they have a big stadium - they have big cash injections - they have a fairly big fanbase but they dont get CL - they dont attract the big players - there is 5 of the biggest clubs in the world in the league who pick of those players first.

 

[Dodger]

Well the link was a survey of worldwide fan bases with the figures associated with them - clubs talking in the world wide figures of over 150 mil - Celtic were not in the list and their Wiki has them a great deal lower.

Prob being a big fish in a very small pond has given the impression of bigger size but in the prem Celtic filter in with the rest - the parallels with Newcastle are perfect. they have a big stadium - they have big cash injections - they have a fairly big fanbase but they dont get CL - they dont attract the big players - there is 5 of the biggest clubs in the world in the league who pick of those players first.

Comparing those two clubs is like comparing Me to Homer golf wise.

Not even close and to even bracket them together is laughable.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Comparing those two clubs is like comparing Me to Homer golf wise.

Not even close and to even bracket them together is laughable.

Not really - In fact i believe Forbes have them higher in terms of value

Fanbase reports have them higher

Their stadium is a bit smaller

You are just ahead of them in the UEFA co efficents ( because Celtic have had a few games in Europe )

They fall behind in terms of trophies but then they would do

So overall i reckon the Newcastle level is exactly where Celtic would be if in the Prem

 

[Dodger]

Not really - In fact i believe Forbes have them higher in terms of value

Fanbase reports have them higher

Their stadium is a bit smaller

You are just ahead of them in the UEFA co efficents ( because Celtic have had a few games in Europe )

They fall behind in terms of trophies but then they would do

So overall i reckon the Newcastle level is exactly where Celtic would be if in the Prem

Value.......work that one out, it is not difficult given where those teams play.

Fans wise, laughable to say that Celtic fall behind Newcastle, truly laughable and again if clubs competed in the same arena then the fan base size would multiply further in our favour.

Our stadium is 8k larger and should we ever end up in the same arena as Newcastle, Chelsea etc that capacity would be expanded by further 10k to accommodate fans.

So as I said comparing those two clubs is laughable in the real world.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Value.......work that one out, it is not difficult given where those teams play.

Fans wise, laughable to say that Celtic fall behind Newcastle, truly laughable and again if clubs competed in the same arena then the fan base size would multiply further in our favour.

Our stadium is 8k larger and should we ever end up in the same arena as Newcastle, Chelsea etc that capacity would be expanded by further 10k to accommodate fans.

So as I said comparing those two clubs is laughable in the real world.

Again i have shown you the report that shows world wide fanbase figures - but because they dont show Celtic that high in them you dismiss them ?

Size of stadium doesnt make you successful in the prem - Newcastle have more fans week in week out than most of the teams bar Arsenal and Man Utd - dont win a thing and nowhere near the top clubs.

Celtic are no bigger a club then Newcastle - they have a bigger stadium - well West Ham will soon be playing in the Olympic Stadium which will be bigger than most of the clubs - that wont suddenly make them bigger club.

Celtic are big in Scotland - that there is no doubt - but there is nothing to suggest they would be anything other than a mid table team in the Prem - you have come up with nothing to suggest why they would. You have come up with laughable statements of them being bigger than clubs like Liverpool , Chelsea , Man City , Arsenal and even said within 5 years no one would be above you - laughable.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well the link was a survey of worldwide fan bases with the figures associated with them - clubs talking in the world wide figures of over 150 mil - Celtic were not in the list and their Wiki has them a great deal lower.

Prob being a big fish in a very small pond has given the impression of bigger size but in the prem Celtic filter in with the rest - the parallels with Newcastle are perfect. they have a big stadium - they have big cash injections - they have a fairly big fanbase but they dont get CL - they dont attract the big players - there is 5 of the biggest clubs in the world in the league who pick of those players first.

Did they give a definition of a fan or just take a punt at the numbers?

Having lived half my life on both sides of the border I would take sides with Dodger on this one, ManU, Arsenal and now ManC are IMO the only British clubs bigger than Celtic.

It was also interesting seeing the reaction of English spectators to Ibrox Park watching the rugby during the Olympics.
One said to me outside the ground that 'I bet they have never seen crowds this big before'. That prompted a good laugh.
Most seemed to be expecting a smallish ground, some were quite awestruck.

 

[Dodger]

Again i have shown you the report that shows world wide fanbase figures - but because they dont show Celtic that high in them you dismiss them ?

Size of stadium doesnt make you successful in the prem - Newcastle have more fans week in week out than most of the teams bar Arsenal and Man Utd - dont win a thing and nowhere near the top clubs.

Celtic are no bigger a club then Newcastle - they have a bigger stadium - well West Ham will soon be playing in the Olympic Stadium which will be bigger than most of the clubs - that wont suddenly make them bigger club.

Celtic are big in Scotland - that there is no doubt - but there is nothing to suggest they would be anything other than a mid table team in the Prem - you have come up with nothing to suggest why they would. You have come up with laughable statements of them being bigger than clubs like Liverpool , Chelsea , Man City , Arsenal and even said within 5 years no one would be above you - laughable.

Who said anything about the size of a stadium being the litmus test?

Fan base,fan base Phil not attendances or stadia capacity,fan base.

Celtic are a bigger club than Newcastle and many more in Europe but you carry on convincing yourself you are correct....again.

I have never seen you being wrong on anything,nothing, absolutely nada.

Oh, expect on your pal Luis being here.

You really do bore the tits off me so consider yourself on ignore.:thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Did they give a definition of a fan or just take a punt at the numbers?

Having lived half my life on both sides of the border I would take sides with Dodger on this one, ManU, Arsenal and now ManC are IMO the only British clubs bigger than Celtic.

It was also interesting seeing the reaction of English spectators to Ibrox Park watching the rugby during the Olympics.
One said to me outside the ground that 'I bet they have never seen crowds this big before'. That prompted a good laugh.
Most seemed to be expecting a smallish ground, some were quite awestruck.

Off course you will side with Dodger - you are Scottish as well.

And im sorry i maybe a Liverpool fan but what exactly makes Celtic bigger than Liverpool as a club ?

 

[Papas1982]

Who said anything about the size of a stadium being the litmus test?

Fan base,fan base Phil not attendances or stadia capacity,fan base.

Celtic are a bigger club than Newcastle and many more in Europe but you carry on convincing yourself you are correct....again.

I have never seen you being wrong on anything,nothing, absolutely nada.

Oh, expect on your pal Luis being here.

You really do bore the tits off me so consider yourself on ignore.:thup:

fwiw, i believe if Celtic survived the first couple of seasons in the prem, then and only then they make up part of a top 5/6. But money alone guarantees nothing. UTD won as many titles as anyone once city n Chelsea had injections. So Celtic would have to come in with ridiculous money and then take players from City, Chelsea, man UTD, Liverpool and arsenal. How would they do this, would being in the Prem make them worth £200m more a season to spend?

They may well compete, but do I acne or close to it in 5 years? Not a chance. I'm not doubting you have a massive following. But I'd be very surprised if it was anywhere Liverpool, arsenal or UTD as they've been the main names in English football since premiership and it's commercial growth that creates fan base these days. Chelsea and city whilst maybe having smaller canvases are still growing massively. So whilst I don't think it will ever happening. I wouldn't expect Celtic to win or dominate anymore than the other teams mentioned.

 

[Fish]

Are you basing Celtic being bigger due to being a majority catholic following and that if they played in the prem they would somehow become larger and more powerful and more successful, if so I believe your wrong, why? because most supporters of Celtic down here actually support someone else already, so, would they dump those teams and then follow Celtic just because they are more accessible? I don't think so!

I would say the same for Rangers also if the same scenario was to happen, but as you state, it won't anyway but I don't follow your insistence on them (Celtic) potentially being a bigger force than other clubs mentioned, if that was so, they would already have a bigger worldwide fan base based on my question and commercial figures suggest totally the opposite!

The Asian commercial market for football clubs is huge, this is why Chelsea got Kenyon (the red) on board and our commercial presence now in Asia is huge, I would think that Celtic and indeed Rangers have more of an insulated following more associated to the UK as they are both, unfortunately, are divided by religion and not just football.

I understand your view point and opinion but I don't agree with it and think they would be top of the 3rd tier within the prem, at best and wouldn't get the kind of extra support and following you think they would if they came south.

PS. love the Homer analogy, poor bloke gets dragged into everything :rofl:

 

[williamalex1]

Well the good news , Scotland are going up to 27 in world rankings 1 behind England at 28.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well the good news , Scotland are going up to 27 in world rankings 1 behind England at 28.

? Current ones released on 14 Aug has Scotland at 28 and England at 20 ?

http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/

 

[GreiginFife]

Well the good news , Scotland are going up to 27 in world rankings 1 behind England at 28.

This post makess no sense at all. 27 behind 28? Scotland were already at 27 based on the Aug 14 (last Fifa published) rankings and hadnt moved since the July ranking. England are at 20.
Is there a hidden joke in the post?

 

[FairwayDodger]

This post makess no sense at all. 27 behind 28? Scotland were already at 27 based on the July 14 (last Fifa published) rankings. England at 20.
Is there a hidden joke in the post?

It is reported that when the September rankings come out England will drop to 26, Scotland are 27 and Wales 28. Take it with a pinch of salt, I think.

 

[GreiginFife]

It is reported that when the September rankings come out England will drop to 26, Scotland are 27 and Wales 28. Take it with a pinch of salt, I think.

Its the 'going up' bit along with 27 being 'one behind' 27 in an ascending ranking system that has me flummoxed.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Well the good news , Scotland are going up to 27 in world rankings 1 behind England at 28.

On current form that sounds about right.
Assuming England are down 6 at 26 and we are up 1 at 27.

All that money and 26th in the World........what a waste.

 

[williamalex1]

? Current ones released on 14 Aug has Scotland at 28 and England at 20 ?

http://www.fifa.com/worldranking/rankingtable/

Phil, I'm quoting from the Sunday Mail which says" when the latest FIFA rankings are unveiled" that will be both our positions.

Maybe their wrong