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Scottish independence

Liverpoolphil said:
When did I suggest anything about any "inside track"

Can you show me this costing and white paper of the Scottish Air Force please. Which bases will they use , including the Air Defense structure including air and ground and Radar. Also including the personnel and equipment to patrol the skies and the ground crew to back them. Also including the training facilities for all the trades ( all currently in England or Wales ) plus the servicing of the A/C ( done in England ) . Currently the Air Force has multiple tactical deployable trades all based in England. Currently a lot of the instructors are civilians living in England around the base areas. There is so much more - could go on forever.
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so many job creation programmes for an indy Scotland!You make it sound better than I ever could.

The white paper is easy to find.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
so many job creation programmes for an indy Scotland!You make it sound better than I ever could.

The white paper is easy to find.
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Yes because it's going it that easy to recreate decades upon decades of expertise.

I have read the white paper and it's so generic is amusing

They suggest what they should get but there is a little caveat - dependent on negotiation.

In fact reading makes me feel more confident it won't happen.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yes because it's going it that easy to recreate decades upon decades of expertise.

I have read the white paper and it's so generic is amusing

They suggest what they should get but there is a little caveat - dependent on negotiation.

In fact reading makes me feel more confident it won't happen.
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Thankfully me too
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yes because it's going it that easy to recreate decades upon decades of expertise.

I have read the white paper and it's so generic is amusing

They suggest what they should get but there is a little caveat - dependent on negotiation.

In fact reading makes me feel more confident it won't happen.
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You've read the white paper?

I don't believe you.
 
Valentino said:
What one? Benbecula is a nice little 9 holer, 2 boats is a volcanic mass area with flags and various other nonsense.
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Benny must have improved in the last ten years then - the weather never helped though.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Please refrain from calling me a liar ok pal

This is what I have just read after someone kindly posted in on the thread and I had a quick read on the defence area


http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Publications/2013/11/9348/10

If you can't be polite when talking to people then don't bother replying
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So you hadn't read the white paper, just a wee bit of it.Just as I thought.

I'm not your pal btw.

Before an admin intervenes, I'll stop replying to you as a) I stand by assertions already made b) you have no vote next year so your opinion doesn't really count and c) I cannae be bothered with your chat.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Would a new Scottish military not also create opportunities for ambitious soldiers looking to make a career out of it?There is obviously limits in the current set up, and given the ongoing downsizing (I've witnessed myself in RAF High Wycombe) opportunities are becoming less and less.
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I need to try and explain this so it makes as much sense as it does in my head :) and it relates primarily to the willingness of British Army personnel to transfer across.

In the Corps and Services of the British Army (I'll continue to use the Royal Signals as an example) individuals are moved around from unit to unit rather than units moving en masse as the Infantry and Cav do; normally every 3 years for a Junior or Senior rank, every 2 years for a Warrant Officer or if selected for promotion. The advantages of this being that the pain of being posted to a crap hole was fairly shared and every few years you got what could be quite a change of role/ job.

If you only have one unit of a particularly type, in this case the nascent Scottish Brigade Signal Squadron, in terms of advancement it pretty much becomes dead man's shoes. For example your three Troop Staff Sergeants are all particularly competent and worthy of promotion however, there is only one slot into which one of them can be promoted. In the Royal Corps of Signals as it stands at the moment there is more scope for those deserving of promotion to be promoted due to the scale of the Corps. Obviously you are competing against more candidates but if good enough you will get there.

For those reasons I would definitely have been reticent to transfer.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I was 15 years old when we went through the Cuban crisis so you are totally wrong there.
Do you remember Greenham Common, and the warm welcome the people of Newbury gave to the Cruise missiles?
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Remember it and regularly was involved in convoy duty running the launchers around the country. The people of Newbury were never a problem and enjoyed the extra employment they bought. The only people that used to create any kind of problem which was extremely limited where 1/2 dozen unwashed women who enjoyed camping.

I do like your thoughts on the Scottish Navy.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
So you hadn't read the white paper, just a wee bit of it.Just as I thought.

I'm not your pal btw.

Before an admin intervenes, I'll stop replying to you as a) I stand by assertions already made b) you have no vote next year so your opinion doesn't really count and c) I cannae be bothered with your chat.
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I never stated I read the whole paper - you shouldn't make assumptions

I know you're not my pal hence why I used the word

As for saying my opinion doesn't count is rubbish because the vote will also effect people in other countries within the UK

In every walk of life you come across arrogant nationalists - people that live up to stereotypical picture. You fit that perfect picture on anti anyone but Scotland Scotsman and you would be a plus point of Scotland being Independant.

Shame as it's looking likely the vote won't be a yes.

The lack of reply would be welcome
 
stevie_r said:
I need to try and explain this so it makes as much sense as it does in my head :) and it relates primarily to the willingness of British Army personnel to transfer across.

In the Corps and Services of the British Army (I'll continue to use the Royal Signals as an example) individuals are moved around from unit to unit rather than units moving en masse as the Infantry and Cav do; normally every 3 years for a Junior or Senior rank, every 2 years for a Warrant Officer or if selected for promotion. The advantages of this being that the pain of being posted to a crap hole was fairly shared and every few years you got what could be quite a change of role/ job.

If you only have one unit of a particularly type, in this case the nascent Scottish Brigade Signal Squadron, in terms of advancement it pretty much becomes dead man's shoes. For example your three Troop Staff Sergeants are all particularly competent and worthy of promotion however, there is only one slot into which one of them can be promoted. In the Royal Corps of Signals as it stands at the moment there is more scope for those deserving of promotion to be promoted due to the scale of the Corps. Obviously you are competing against more candidates but if good enough you will get there.

For those reasons I would definitely have been reticent to transfer.
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Most of the Jocks I have worked with joined the Air Force to leave Scotland and to get posted around the UK and the rest of the World.

Can't see many wanting to leave nice postings to go to Leuchars.

In fact when at Lossiemouth there were more English guys and gals there than Scottish
 
Adi2Dassler said:
I won't.

Ignorance and lies.
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Something you appear to be guilty of yourself with your assertion that Scotland will retain sterling without any problems. That really is the sort of idealistic twaddle that I thought only the failed economist was capable of peddling.

And on the subject of matching assets to liabilities you conveniently overlook the current situation with devolved powers not being matched by devolved costs. This will be even worse if Devo Max results from a No vote.
 
MetalMickie said:
Something you appear to be guilty of yourself with your assertion that Scotland will retain sterling without any problems. That really is the sort of idealistic twaddle that I thought only the failed economist was capable of peddling.

And on the subject of matching assets to liabilities you conveniently overlook the current situation with devolved powers not being matched by devolved costs. This will be even worse if Devo Max results from a No vote.
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We can keep the £ whatever, the perceived issue is whether there would be a currency union, there is a significant difference.

The second paragraph I don't quite understand, can you clarify?
 
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