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Scottish independence

Only if you include oil& gas revenues (fast running out) and the development of which was not funded by Scottish companies or the Scottish people.

Sorry but the Yes campaign would be making a great mistake if they base projections of future wealth upon the continuance of the (Shetlanders) oil revenues.

And the BT Campaign is effectively doing the same - look how healthy Scotland is as part of the UK
 
Halfway through is a generous estimate but even if correct would leave probably less than 40 years of revenues based upon increasing worldwide demand for carbon fuels.

Is that really sufficient for a nation to make long term plans? Perhaps, I don't know but it is surely a consideration.

Scotland self-sufficient in and exporting power from wind, wave etc sometime in the future?
 
Scotland self-sufficient in and exporting power from wind, wave etc sometime in the future?

Would any government anywhere want to base their planning upon renewable energy where the technology is still very much under development and to which there seems to be so much opposition. It does not appear to matter, for instance, whether wind farms are on or off shore, nobody seems to want them.

Also are there not concerns over the proportion of the workforce employed by the public sector. Higher, I believe, in Scotland than most of the UK.

BTW I am not opposed to Scottish independence, just interested in the debate and the fact that neither side is prepared to honestly discuss the issues.
 
Would any government anywhere want to base their planning upon renewable energy where the technology is still very much under development and to which there seems to be so much opposition. It does not appear to matter, for instance, whether wind farms are on or off shore, nobody seems to want them.

Also are there not concerns over the proportion of the workforce employed by the public sector. Higher, I believe, in Scotland than most of the UK.

BTW I am not opposed to Scottish independence, just interested in the debate and the fact that neither side is prepared to honestly discuss the issues.

The situation would only be needing to be addressed 25yrs down the line - so plenty of time. And if things not going well - time to build a new nuclear power station or two. Plenty of empty space in Scotland where nimbyism wouldn't be an issue - nice earner for Scotland exporting power to England where space for new power stations is rather limited and controversial. Or maybe Scotland could say - trade you our power for your defence.
 
Tell you what I wish we could sell our skies.
I saw the most amazing symmetrical herring bone cloud formation at North Berwick this afternoon, followed by a beautiful sunset over Aberlady Bay.
 
The situation would only be needing to be addressed 25yrs down the line - so plenty of time. And if things not going well - time to build a new nuclear power station or two. Plenty of empty space in Scotland where nimbyism wouldn't be an issue - nice earner for Scotland exporting power to England where space for new power stations is rather limited and controversial. Or maybe Scotland could say - trade you our power for your defence.

In macro-economics 25 years is not plenty of time.

Also plenty of space in England for nuclear power stations which are going to be built anyway. If you truly think that development of these stations on the Scottish coastline is likely to be any less controversial I would suggest that you have perhaps been away a little too long from your native land.
 
Some astoundingly ignorant posting on this thread, so congratulations.
An independent Scotland would not be a member of the EU so would not be able to sign up to any treaties.

Scotland would send The EU a wee email, something like this-

Dear friends in Brussels, we'd love to continue being part of The EU, we're not prepared (like some Eastern Bloc countries) to adopt the Euro, but lets face it, it's on it's last legs anyway and we're only interested in freedom of movement and access to the significant trading bloc.We've got loads and loads of Oil,some gas,more renewables than pretty much all of you put together, we're inclusive and welcome our people moving, as well as your coming here, plus we've got some of the best fishing in Europe...oh, did we mention all the oil out to our West we're not allowed to talk about because of those pesky subs use it as an access point, we reckon there is more on that side than there is in the North sea?Don't worry, give us a few years and we'll be able to start extracting that.

All that, and it'll give you an excuse to cut that payment Maggie somehow managed to get you to agree to.

See ya soon,

Scotland.

Only if you include oil& gas revenues (fast running out) and the development of which was not funded by Scottish companies or the Scottish people.

Sorry but the Yes campaign would be making a great mistake if they base projections of future wealth upon the continuance of the (Shetlanders) oil revenues.

Shetland owns zero/nowt/zilch oil...even if it became independent, it would have nothing.And oil is not fast running out, they reckon there is £1.5 TRILLION in the north sea left, and more than that in the west.


I think that folk are seriously failing to grasp how important Scotland is to The UK,whether that's because of Coulport (forget Faslane, that's a red herring) or because of Oil or because we help the south east prop up the rest of The UK, we're essential and rUK will be in a pickle if we leave.
 
Grant Scotland their independence. They will be cheerful for 5 minutes before becoming their usual dour selves.
Only happy when they are unhappy.

"Hello Mr Cheek", said Mr Tongue
 
Grant Scotland their independence. They will be cheerful for 5 minutes before becoming their usual dour selves.
Only happy when they are unhappy.

"Hello Mr Cheek", said Mr Tongue

Tongue in cheek maybe, but 'grant Scotland their independence' is the root of all the ABE stuff.
 
ABE stuff??? What does ABE stand for?

Yep, Anyone But England.A pretty lame attitude some folk have, brought on, in part by English folk 'granting' stuff to other parts of The UK.It's not unique to Scotland, and can be seen in both Wales & NI too.

It's not a pov I have btw, my dad is English and I actually, unlike the wee tyke Rory, want England to beat the aussies in the ashes.
 
Interesting discussion the other night when a chap said 'Just for one minute imagine that Edinburgh was London and London was Edinburgh.
England would be basically ruled by a huge army of civil servants, politicians and institutions based in a Scottish city 400 miles away with a population of 8 million who received many financial advantages.

Do you think that they would be happy?
 
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