Scottish independence

[SocketRocket]

I would be very surprised if it mentions England, Wales and NI in the white paper....just the rest of the UK.
Tell me the page and I will gladly retract.

Just google it, there are many quotes available on the subject. If I did quote the text and verse would you be able to look it up in your own copy? Better still! just forget it, It just has to be 'utter rubbish' that Scotland would rather support all other EU students over the rest of the UK. How silly of me to even consider it.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I take it you mean Civilian MOD staff?

Lancefield quay is ok - given the choice between that and being 3 up in a tenement in tollcross where would you choose?

Yes - civilian. I'd have a nice tenement apartment in Crown Terrace or Dowanside Rd way

Might even put up with something like this place

http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-26400654.html

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I talk to plants, I told my parsley that it had done really well just the other day. The lavenders got a bit of a pep talk though.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I talk to plants, I told my parsley that it had done really well just the other day. The lavenders got a bit of a pep talk though.

And then I suppose you cut the parsley's head off! That is just cruel.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Just google it, there are many quotes available on the subject. If I did quote the text and verse would you be able to look it up in your own copy? Better still! just forget it, It just has to be 'utter rubbish' that Scotland would rather support all other EU students over the rest of the UK. How silly of me to even consider it.

In all of this I think you tend to forget that England do charge Scottish students who wish to study at the well funded Oxbridge Uni's. + any other English/Welsh & NI University. I see The Duke of Rothesay had the good sense to save a bob or two by sending his eldest to St Andrews.
Perhaps if the English Uni's did not charge the Scots we could return the favour.
Just call it redistribution of wealth if you like.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And then I suppose you cut the parsley's head off! That is just cruel.

Not at all, just like you getting a haircut, it grows again.

 

[SocketRocket]

In all of this I think you tend to forget that England do charge Scottish students who wish to study at the well funded Oxbridge Uni's. + any other English/Welsh & NI University. I see The Duke of Rothesay had the good sense to save a bob or two by sending his eldest to St Andrews.
Perhaps if the English Uni's did not charge the Scots we could return the favour.
Just call it redistribution of wealth if you like.

Yes they do charge but its the same for everyone. Imagine if they charged double for Scottish undergraduates, I am sure that would go down a hoot!

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Not at all, just like you getting a haircut, it grows again.

But I don't like to speak to the hairdresser, and if I was a sprig of lavender I'm not certain I would appreciate being bruised and left to dry out. (Oh I don't know though..............)

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Popcorn time.

Question time on now from Falkirk.

 

[CMAC]

saw wee Eck on the news tonight holding up a letter and saying and I paraphrase "I have a letter here from the Spanish prime minister" regarding Scotland and the EU. Turns out the 'letter' was lifted from a website

I wonder what else he is possibly misleading us on

 

[Deleted member 18588]

saw wee Eck on the news tonight holding up a letter and saying and I paraphrase "I have a letter here from the Spanish prime minister" regarding Scotland and the EU. Turns out the 'letter' was lifted from a website

I wonder what else he is possibly misleading us on

Sounds like he learned something from Blair & Campbell. Dodgy Dossiers, WMD etc:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Jings..... a spaced out Eddie Reader making a total fool of herself on Question time.
She should stick to the singing.

I quite like the sensible wee guy from the Greens. At least he comes across as a professional.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Jings..... a spaced out Eddie Reader making a total fool of herself on Question time.
She should stick to the singing.

I quite like the sensible wee guy from the Greens. At least he comes across as a professional.

I thought she was fine - very passionate. And the green guy - yup - he was OK. Actually found QT watchable tonight - a half decent level of debate for a change.

I must say though that I found the 'tell me the truth' question asked by one of the audience frustrating. There can be no absolute truth about 2016 in 2013 - there can only be assertion, hope and yes - some guessing. Because today we just don't know what Europe and the world - never mind the UK - will be like in 2016 so why should anyone know what it would be like in Scotland - so why do some keep searching for it? Eddie Reader did mention this at one point. Unsure about things after a YES - unsure about things after a NO.

 

[Fish]

I thought Eddi Reader came across as a hard faced cow, an ignorant, rude person whom I wouldn't want to share a toilet with.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You probably didn't understand what she was saying

btw not sure it is a smart move for Alastair Carmichael (Tory Scottish sec) to remind voters that the referendum isn't like an election vote as once you are independent there is no way back in - though why you'd want back in I'm not so sure. But this does remind voters that a No is a No for good - or at least for the lifetimes of all voting. So if it's a NO then no way out. Some might give that prospect some thought.

 

[chrisd]

I found the suggestion that if things didn't work out after a yes vote that we might get back together again rather presumptive.

Also that giving extra nursery care was somehow dependent on scrapping Trident when it's clear that the SNP could do that tomorrow if they wanted.

Arguments about democracy got a bit confused - if everyone in the UK votes at a general election and the Tories win, the Scots can't argue that it's undemocratic because none of them wanted a Tory government and the argument that they didn't vote for an alliance cuts no ice either as none of us voted for it, and I suspect, none of us want it either!

I also fail to understand how Scotland can be a member of the EU without taking the Euro and having new terms imposed on them which potentially makes a vast difference to the voting public and their reading of the white paper.

 

[lobthewedge]

Have to agree with the earlier post, I thought Eddie Reader was an absolute embarrassment on QT tonight. Like many on the YES side of the fence, very passionate but doesn't talk much sense. Stick to the songs.

I had to laugh at all the talk of how the UK is undemocratic, and how Scotland votes Labour but gets Tory. I'm afraid these people are a little confused about how democracy works. There is a big difference between voting and not getting your desired result everytime, to not being able to vote at all.

 

[lobthewedge]

I found the suggestion that if things didn't work out after a yes vote that we might get back together again rather presumptive.

Also that giving extra nursery care was somehow dependent on scrapping Trident when it's clear that the SNP could do that tomorrow if they wanted.

Arguments about democracy got a bit confused - if everyone in the UK votes at a general election and the Tories win, the Scots can't argue that it's undemocratic because none of them wanted a Tory government and the argument that they didn't vote for an alliance cuts no ice either as none of us voted for it, and I suspect, none of us want it either!

I also fail to understand how Scotland can be a member of the EU without taking the Euro and having new terms imposed on them which potentially makes a vast difference to the voting public and their reading of the white paper.

Cant disagree with you.

The other big one for me is an independent Scotland keeping the pound. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how a country can expect to be financially independent when it has no control over its own currency, interest rates etc. The YES vote seem to think they will have some level of influence over the Bank of England if we become part of a future currency union. Have these people not been paying attention to the Euro zone over the past few years - it doesn't seem to be working out to well for the smaller LEFT leaning countries in that particular currency union??

 

[CliveW]

Alastair Carmichael (Tory Scottish sec)

Liberal Democrat.

 

[El Bandito]

Membership of the EU does not mandate membership of the Euro. If the Scots elect not to take the Euro then they would to negotiate membership of the pound with the English or even a new currency. Assuming that both Europe and the 'remaining UK' would impose terms not favourable to Scotland, then the politicians might make the argument that their own currency would give them much more flexibility