Scottish Fitba'

[smange]

rightly or wrongly, it's about expectations. Being the biggest club in Scotland, Celtic fans expect to see a winning team, playing decent football. This season has been a shambles from start to finish, failed CL qualification despite the easiest route in years, awful performances in the EL, beaten at home by Rangers without even a shot on target, stodgy sterile football week in, week out. After Rodgers - the best Celtic manager since Stein - Lennon was a cheapskate appointment that's come back to bite the club, if Rangers hadn't imploded after NY, they would have won the league comfortably.

Change is needed urgently, the fans can see that, yet Lennon refuses to go, and the board have backed him (although that may change today). It's no wonder the fans are frustrated.

Expectations? Do you seriously “expect” to win every single match and every single competition that the club enters?

Looking at the league table, you are 11 points behind with 2 games in hand which if you win you will be 5 points behind with not even half the season gone! Win the new year game against your ugly sisters and it’s 2 points yet you still justify protesting in the street!!

Add in you may well have won another Scottish Cup before the new year and it doesn’t sound as bad as your making it out to be!

Wanna swap places with the Pars?

Then again we are tearing up the league and league cup so nah no thanks I will stick with my wee “diddy team” like you old infirm fans like to call any team out with your wee two team bubble

I’d rather live in hope that one day we might just win a major trophy than be protesting in the streets coz we are a few points behind and only won 18 major trophies in last 9 years

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Fans are at their wits end?

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Jeez there are many many fans of other teams in Scotland that would give their right arm for one Scottish Cup win in the last 50 years and yet I don’t see their fans protesting in the streets!

...and until 2014 there is a team from Perth who's supporters had been waiting 130yrs for a Scottish Cup win...no longer waiting

Mind you it's only back end September that some Saintees fans were wondering when the taxi would be arriving at McDiarmid Park to pick up Mr Davidson and his cardboard box - 2 months later the taxi has been cancelled. But no 'mass*' protests outside McDiarmind. See also @smange

But we know our place - and we accept the vicissitudes of being a diddy club in Scotland with a good dose of stoicism and equanimity - unlike (unfortunately for the wider image of Scottish football) quite a dollop of those who follow the ugly sisters of weegieland.

*Mass - in context of St Johnstone fans that'll be about 20

 

[HowlingGale]

Where did i say last night was acceptable?

However to put it in context, we are talking about 2 minor injuries, neither needing hospitalisation, a temporary metal fence being pushed over and a couple of traffic cones being thrown by idiots. Not acceptable behaviour, but far worse happens week in week out (or did before the pandemic) with next to nothing being said about it. For the avoidance of doubt, I'm not trying to justify it, I'm explaining the reasons for it, and trying to put it in context.

Just come on and say they're Neddy idiots then. That there can be no misconception about what you mean. No point in trying to put it in context. There is no context.

 

[rudebhoy]

Expectations? Do you seriously “expect” to win every single match and every single competition that the club enters?

Looking at the league table, you are 11 points behind with 2 games in hand which if you win you will be 5 points behind with not even half the season gone! Win the new year game against your ugly sisters and it’s 2 points yet you still justify protesting in the street!!

Add in you may well have won another Scottish Cup before the new year and it doesn’t sound as bad as your making it out to be!

Wanna swap places with the Pars?

Then again we are tearing up the league and league cup so nah no thanks I will stick with my wee “diddy team” like you old infirm fans like to call any team out with your wee two team bubble

I’d rather live in hope that one day we might just win a major trophy than be protesting in the streets coz we are a few points behind and only won 18 major trophies in last 9 years

We don't expect to win every game, but I'm sure you can understand that Celtic fans are going to have higher expectations than Dunfermilne fans.

The fans have no confidence that this current team can win the games in hand, beat Rangers at NY, or even beat Hearts in the SCF. It was obvious back in August that something was badly wrong. Since then it's steadily got worse. A blind man can see it's time for a change.

 

[Slab]

We don't expect to win every game, but I'm sure you can understand that Celtic fans are going to have higher expectations than Dunfermilne fans.

The fans have no confidence that this current team can win the games in hand, beat Rangers at NY, or even beat Hearts in the SCF. It was obvious back in August that something was badly wrong. Since then it's steadily got worse. A blind man can see it's time for a change.

By all means protest... but with so many trophies lying around that you cant even get the front door open, this is about as severe as it should get:

 

[rudebhoy]

Just come on and say they're Neddy idiots then. That there can be no misconception about what you mean. No point in trying to put it in context. There is no context.

Like it or not, context is important. Compare it to what happened outside Anfield when Liverpool won the league, was it any worse than that?

But for the avoidance of doubt, I'm sure there were neds there. I'm sure there were idiots there. Pushing over barriers is idiotic. Throwing a traffic cone is neddish.

Happy?

 

[GreiginFife]

We don't expect to win every game, but I'm sure you can understand that Celtic fans are going to have higher expectations than Dunfermilne fans.

The fans have no confidence that this current team can win the games in hand, beat Rangers at NY, or even beat Hearts in the SCF. It was obvious back in August that something was badly wrong. Since then it's steadily got worse. A blind man can see it's time for a change.

Ahhhh, there's the arrogance the rest of Scottish football loves from Old Firm fans. Never fails to deliver.

 

[HowlingGale]

Ahhhh, there's the arrogance the rest of Scottish football loves from Old Firm fans. Never fails to deliver.

It's the self-entitlement that I can't stand. Their 10 in a row is in serious jeopardy and their happy-go-lucky, why doesn't everyone love us, fans can't hack it.

The bad news is Rangers will probably win the league so we'll need to put up with their insufferable arrogance as well.

 

[rudebhoy]

Ahhhh, there's the arrogance the rest of Scottish football loves from Old Firm fans. Never fails to deliver.

It's nothing to do with arrogance. We are a much bigger club, we have a much bigger budget, we have a much higher wage bill and much better players (that last one is currently debatable!), so we would naturally have much higher expectations. Don't you think Liverpool or Man City fans would have higher expectations than, say, West Brom or Fulham?

 

[GreiginFife]

It's nothing to do with arrogance. We are a much bigger club, we have a much bigger budget, we have a much higher wage bill and much better players (that last one is currently debatable!), so we would naturally have much higher expectations. Don't you think Liverpool or Man City fans would have higher expectations than, say, West Brom or Fulham?

Who are you to say what expectations fans of any club should have?

This is exactly what arrogance means.

 

[Kellfire]

Who are you to say what expectations fans of any club should have?

This is exactly what arrogance means.

You’re showing clear small team syndrome here. If you don’t understand that Celtic have much higher expectations than Dunfermline then you don’t understand football.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Who are you to say what expectations fans of any club should have?

This is exactly what arrogance means.

I was thinking just the same. As if supporters of wee clubs have less passion for their club than the big boys. Yes - expectations of what constitutes success might well be worlds apart - but that does not diminish passion and the level of disappointment that can result when these more limited expectations are not met.

 

[smange]

Ahhhh, there's the arrogance the rest of Scottish football loves from Old Firm fans. Never fails to deliver.

Don’t forget the “whataboutery” as well!

It’s started as well now!!

I’ve no idea what Liverpool winning the league has to do with this but you can always count on the old infirm fans to try to deflect attention from themselves by finger pointing!!

Imagine us having this discussion about the “best fans in the world” (self appointed of course)

 

[GreiginFife]

You’re showing clear small team syndrome here. If you don’t understand that Celtic have much higher expectations than Dunfermline then you don’t understand football.

Hmm, again not sure people that don't know people should make such judgements. I played football to a reasonably good standard (Scottish Junior) and absolutely know football. It's not small team syndrome at all, it's the Old Firm arrogant stance that they are more important than the rest of Scottish football. And if you don't understand that then you don't understand Scottish Football.

 

[smange]

You’re showing clear small team syndrome here. If you don’t understand that Celtic have much higher expectations than Dunfermline then you don’t understand football.

Expectations in football are all relative!

As a Dunfermline fan, this season I expect us to challenge for the title and at worst a play off place! I expect a wee cup run (obviously that’s dependant on the draw) but by no means am I going to start a protest if it doesn’t materialise!

Wouldn’t you say apart from Hearts that Dunfermline should expect that as the minimum in the championship? Well guess what it hasn’t happened in recent years but I still haven’t seen anyone outside East End Park protesting, throwing cones about or knocking over barriers!!

All sounds to me like a little child going through bad a case of the “terrible twos”

 

[GreiginFife]

Expectations in football are all relative!

As a Dunfermline fan, this season I expect us to challenge for the title and at worst a play off place! I expect a wee cup run (obviously that’s dependant on the draw) but by no means am I going to start a protest if it doesn’t materialise!

Wouldn’t you say apart from Hearts that Dunfermline should expect that as the minimum in the championship? Well guess what it hasn’t happened in recent years but I still haven’t seen anyone outside East End Park protesting, throwing cones about or knocking over barriers!!

All sounds to me like a little child going through bad a case of the “terrible twos”

Except maybe after a heavy night at the Paragon Club

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Expectations in football are all relative!

As a Dunfermline fan, this season I expect us to challenge for the title and at worst a play off place! I expect a wee cup run (obviously that’s dependant on the draw) but by no means am I going to start a protest if it doesn’t materialise!

Wouldn’t you say apart from Hearts that Dunfermline should expect that as the minimum in the championship? Well guess what it hasn’t happened in recent years but I still haven’t seen anyone outside East End Park protesting, throwing cones about or knocking over barriers!!

All sounds to me like a little child going through bad a case of the “terrible twos”

A wee league cup run - maybe all being well to the final Top 4 would be great and is still achievable - but because our rubbish start to the season Top 6 will have to be acceptable. Pragmatism.

And the thing is, we of the 'diddy' clubs still in the League Cup know that no matter how brilliantly we might play in a match against Rangers - if we win it won't be put down to our brilliance... But hey ho. See if I'd be bothered.

 

[smange]

Except maybe after a heavy night at the Paragon Club

Ah the good old Paragon club!!

Geez if ever there was a time to protest it would have been back in those days ?

Which junior club did you play for and what local underage team? Depending on how old you are we may know each other or at least played against each other

 

[Slab]

Except maybe after a heavy night at the Paragon Club

The last time there was any serious cone throwing in Dunfermline was when the Brucefield Cafe ice cream shop shut down

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Used to play a lot. Back in the late 70s and early 1980s I played for the club that was then Eastwood Amateurs...2nd team mostly but we played in a reasonable standard of Scottish Amateur football...we played our matches at Muirend and Eaglesham - at it's core we were essentially a former pupils club for Eastwood High School so great friendships One of my mates from school and the club from back then was core in the setting up the Greater Glasgow Premier A.F.L and was it's first President. Mostly Rangers and Celtic supporters (obviously) which made it a wee bit tough for me - but a great bunch and all together as very keen supporters of the national team.