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Scotland Debate

Old Skier said:
Blame who you like. I only deal in facts. True the the Governement introduced the legislation (don't remember any tax legislation on a bedroom though) and the same legislation gave local authorities the descretion after appeal on who to help or ignore but as this is about Scottish Independance perhaps this is the wrong place to debate this.
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You are, however, extremely selective about which facts though! So still spinning!

I understand - not 100% certain - that while there is an 'out' via appeal, subsequent discretionary assistance is at the devolved authority's cost. The Scottish Government is actually covering that cost in Scotland btw. The 'Bedroom Tax' (note the quotes!) - spun, unsuccessfully, by IDS as 'spare bedroom subsidy' - is one of the examples jumped on by the Scottish nationalists as inappropriate to Scotland and part of the reason why Scotland should be independent - so quite relevant to a Scottish Independence debate!
 
Foxholer said:
You are, however, extremely selective about which facts though! So still spinning!

I understand - not 100% certain - that while there is an 'out' via appeal, subsequent discretionary assistance is at the devolved authority's cost. The Scottish Government is actually covering that cost in Scotland btw. The 'Bedroom Tax' (note the quotes!) - spun, unsuccessfully, by IDS as 'spare bedroom subsidy' - is one of the examples jumped on by the Scottish nationalists as inappropriate to Scotland and part of the reason why Scotland should be independent - so quite relevant to a Scottish Independence debate!
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Quite agree.
It is a big + for the yes voters.
That is why Westminster did their U turn.
 
Foxholer said:
You are, however, extremely selective about which facts though! So still spinning!

I understand - not 100% certain - that while there is an 'out' via appeal, subsequent discretionary assistance is at the devolved authority's cost. The Scottish Government is actually covering that cost in Scotland btw. The 'Bedroom Tax' (note the quotes!) - spun, unsuccessfully, by IDS as 'spare bedroom subsidy' - is one of the examples jumped on by the Scottish nationalists as inappropriate to Scotland and part of the reason why Scotland should be independent - so quite relevant to a Scottish Independence debate!
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By constantly referring to it as the"Bedroom Tax", irrespective of the use of quotes, you are equally guilty of spinning.

One of the oldest tricks in political PR is to excuse oneself by claiming to be merely quoting another source.
 
Foxholer said:
You are, however, extremely selective about which facts though! So still spinning!

I understand - not 100% certain - !
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Central Government does supply a small pot of gold to local authorities to cover successful appeals.

Don't get me wrong, dealing with people on a voluntary basis I do meet some who have a legitimate need for a room that is neither spare or not required due to illness but unfortunately because of the attitude of some, the policy is an easy target to get plenty of backing from your average citizen.

Im sure giving in on this issue, whether it's SNP or any other party, would secure votes for most hair brained schemes.

Not sure where I am being selective with the facts, I just indicated that there is no legislation covering a spare bedroom tax.
 
MetalMickie said:
By constantly referring to it as the"Bedroom Tax", irrespective of the use of quotes, you are equally guilty of spinning.

One of the oldest tricks in political PR is to excuse oneself by claiming to be merely quoting another source.
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Perhaps. But The Community Charge just doesn't seem to have quite the same impact (negative or positive) as Poll Tax.

In future, I shall try to call it by its slightly more official name - 'under-occupancy penalty'! Of course, it only uses the number of Bedrooms, so the popularisation is pretty apt imo. Though maybe the Beeb's approach is better '.... bedroom tax/spare room subsidy/under-occupancy penalty (delete as appropriate)...'!:whistle:
 
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About 30% UKIP share of vote in European elections suggests some MPs for UKIP in next Westminster GenElect and at same time a reduction in Conservative MPs suggests a Tory/UKIP coalition. Now that's an attractive prospect for Scottish voters to ponder when it comes to September 18th.
 
UKIP vote will probably go down at the general election, bear in mind that's a first past the post system as well, no PR there. I reckon there is more chance of a Labour/ Others coalition tbh.
 
UKIP won't win a single seat at next years GE. England have used the Euro elections to make a point.No way they'll do that for Westminster.And given the % of turnout all over The UK I'm even less bothered.

The only thing that bothers me is the insanely disproportionate level of media coverage they get.If the Green party got the same level of media time they'd trounce UKIP.
 
Adi2Dassler said:
The only thing that bothers me is the insanely disproportionate level of media coverage they get.If the Green party got the same level of media time they'd trounce UKIP.
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Very much this.

I believe I saw graphs showing that UKIP actually declined in votes (can't actually remember where, so I may be mistaken), but the Green party get little to no airtime, annoying. I'm not a green supporter, but would like to see more of them in the news!
 
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