Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Hope, it's a hard word in times like this though.
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Hope, it's a hard word in times like this though.
Adi2Dassler
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How about....
Scots voters are a fickle lot, though stubbornly consistent in their 'balanced' hatred of Westminster and the Tories - or any party associated with them. With luck, someone will challenge SNP who are simply the best of a bad lot.
You might have been fishing, but that's pretty accurate and nothing that I feel uncomfortable with...the only exception might be the best of a bad lot...when we have Patrick Harvie and Jim Sillars,Dennis Canavan,Annabel Goldie and Margo, I can't think of their equals in England?
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Jim Sillars speaks sense and is generally a good listen but his last appearance on BBCQT was a bit weird, he came across like someone who had no idea why he was there or what he was talking about.
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
Aye, but in contrast he was magnificent last night at the shettleston juniors debate, they broadcast it on the internet and he was simply magic....allow him a wee off day now and again, he's getting on!
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
and it showed on BBCQT
It's interesting that he stated that he wanted independance but he said something along the lines of not wanting it done as they are doing currently. I'll be honest and say im not 100% sure on what his leanings were but I'm sure it was along the lines of there being no Plan B in the even of No EU membership, Pound etc etc.
He's an interesting character.
Foxholer
Blackballed
No. Not fishing.
It's always seemed to me that those not in positions of real power/control appear more sensible and statesman-like than those actually in control - and charged with the day-to-day running of 'the shop'. Likewise the elder statesmen, no longer charged with applying Government policy, so rather free-er to comment, sensibly, on their areas of expertise.
No experience of the folk you mention, but I'm sure there are the equivalents in the Westminster system - though almost certainly hamstrung by the particular party approach of that body! There are a fair few heavyweights in the House of Lords also! And there are a fair few idiots in all those Parliaments/Houses as well imo! But that's (our versions of) Democracy!
PS.@Val. As the issue of independence is quite important, can you please spell it correctly.
Not normally bugged by spelling errors, but that one seems to for some reason.
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One Planer
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and it showed on BBCQT
It's interesting that he stated that he wanted independance but he said something along the lines of not wanting it done as they are doing currently. I'll be honest and say im not 100% sure on what his leanings were but I'm sure it was along the lines of there being no Plan B in the even of No EU membership, Pound etc etc.
He's an interesting character.
It would be interesting to hear, especially from you guys north of the border, is there a plan B in case of the above?
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
PS.@Val. As the issue of independence is quite important, can you please spell it correctly.
Give me a break man, that's twice in 2 days you've done that, it must be the E or A thing
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
Not that we are aware of, Alex Salmond has said they can't stop us getting the pound and they can't stop us getting EU membership. If questioned on what happens if the do stop it, he simply replies they can't, no plan B and a dangerous game of poker.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
...and married to Margo...that's quite a gig!
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
and it showed on BBCQT
It's interesting that he stated that he wanted independance but he said something along the lines of not wanting it done as they are doing currently. I'll be honest and say im not 100% sure on what his leanings were but I'm sure it was along the lines of there being no Plan B in the even of No EU membership, Pound etc etc.
He's an interesting character.
Sillars makes no apology for his socialist bent...he'd do away with the £,not join the EU (EFTA is his choice),not join NATO and remove the royal family as head of state.
He can be pretty radical...he suggests we should take ownership of one of the two aircraft carriers being built and turn it into a hospital ship...weapon of war to ship of mercy.The principle is sound and well meaning, putting it into practice might be a wee bit harder.
but folk like him and Sheriden are the beauty of The Yes campaign...from biz for scotland to tommy!
One Planer
Global Moderator
Seriously!!!
I know this is a little political here, but didn't Osbourne rule out a Sterling zone (... And was backed by other parties). If the BoE agrees, where does that leave Salmond?
EDIT: Did't a chap from the Eurozone also cast doubt over membership?
How can Salmond claim everyone to be wrong? Does an iScotland have a legal entitlement to what he claims or is it just rhetoric?
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Foxholer
Blackballed
:rofl:Give me a break man, that's twice in 2 days you've done that, it must be the E or A thing
It was my E/A glitch in the Wallasey one - so 'honours even'!
Had almost forgotten that too. Obviously my Scottish 'long memory' gene has been eroded!
Seriously!!!
I know this is a little political here, but didn't Osbourne rule out a Sterling zone (... And was backed by other parties). If the BoE agrees, where does that leave Salmond?
It's all 'political' posturing.
Osborne ruled out a Sterling Zone on recommendation of Treasury - who were probably subtlely told what result to come up with!
Pretty much by definition, 'recommendation' means that there IS an alternative. So Sterling Zone isn't ruled out by Treasury.
Indeed, high stakes gambling all round!
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I think this gets me more than any constructive argument. He just says 'we can'! and when asked what will happen if we arent allowed into the EU or cement existing GB relationships he says 'We will', when asked who are the numerous heads of major companies that he says all want devolution he says 'there are'! but never supplies any detail....
He would do well in the second hand car trade.
@val/Foxy easy way to remember is people must be DENCE if they support independence (yes I know Dense is with an 's') I'm not stoopid
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Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
Not entirely accurate.Plan B is use the £ anyway, that much has been said.And he's never said they can't stop us gettin EU membership, but it would be highly improbable...there is no precedent for removing an entire founding nation from the EU.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
You do see what's being portrayed in the main though, it's the pound and that's it.
As for what I highlighted, we we a founding nation or part of the union that was part of the founding? This is where there is a lot of grey area on the EU thing, how is the UK looked on as a member? Is it all member countries of the union or is it the Union, if it's all member countries then Salmond has a case to argue, if it's the Union then there is no argument and the bigger argument would be those remaining as technically their membership with Scotland as part of the Union may render membership null and void.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Does the referendum bill not require Westminster to work with Scotland to deliver Plan A if that is what Scotland wants?
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
...and if Scotland is removed from the UK equation is there not a case for the rUK having to be reassessed for membership. After all the rUK is not the UK - different country. And on the EU matter - untangling Scotland from the EU legislation and redrafting all the legislation for to cover the rUK rather than the UK is going to be a mighty job. So as Scotland will eventually (if not immediately) become part of the EU why would the EU want to go through the pain of Scottish disentanglement - just to go through bringing them onboard at a later date. There seems to be a need for a little bit of realism on the part of the anti-Scotland EU brigade.
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Foxholer
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The issue of whether rUK would cease to be a member of EU if Scotland was deemed a 'new country' does not appear to have been addressed by any politicians. It seems such an important issue that I'm certain it has already been cleared. If it hasn't been, then I'm equally certain that all the Pro Europe guys in Westminster would be kicking up a huge fuss about Scotland's Independence causing rUK's departure and therefore ALL of UK should be entitled to vote in Scotland's Referendum - as it affects rUK's EU status!
The SNP's view/gamble is that EU membership would be retained, but this is by no means certain - and the implication is that it would be 'difficult'!
Remember though, that the Referendum is not deciding on the mechanics - or timeframe, merely on the Policy.
FairwayDodger
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Does the referendum bill not require Westminster to work with Scotland to deliver Plan A if that is what Scotland wants?
Not quite. Something about "negotiating in good faith".......
