ger147
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Scotland Debate
- Thread starter Doon frae Troon
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Foxholer
Blackballed
Another classic piece of Media Headlining!
There's a bit of a difference between making 30k people redundant (what the papers imply) and selling businesses that employ 30k people - much more like reality!
And it's really just a consequence of 'down-sizing' - another PR term!
There'll still be almost 100k employees (worldwide).
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Read yesterday from Danny Alexander that mortgage repayments might soar following a YES...
Yes - they might - and they might not.
Yes - they might - and they might not.
Foxholer
Blackballed
Another quote taken rather 'out of context'. That was a (one) prediction of what the results might be if Scotland walks away from its share of UK Debt!
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
But he said it and that was the headline. And to be honest I am not sure it does teh BT Campaign that much good - all this prediction of doom and gloom. Beginning to sound like self-determination is a good thing - unless you are Scotland.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Kate Moss has made a statement re her 'Scotland stay with us, please' comment.
It seems that it was nothing to do with Bowie's statement. It was an instruction by the BBC Brit Awards director who was desperate to stop his Scottish viewers switching channels for a repeat of Robbie Sheppard's 'Take the Floor'.
It seems that it was nothing to do with Bowie's statement. It was an instruction by the BBC Brit Awards director who was desperate to stop his Scottish viewers switching channels for a repeat of Robbie Sheppard's 'Take the Floor'.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Interesting jokey comment DfT - - though listening to R5L this morning a prof from Aberdeen Uni was talking about NSOG and how the majority was accepted to be in Scottish waters. Nicky Campbell tried to introduce doubt about whether it did or not saying there was debate to be had. Prof wasn't really having it. Few moments after interview had concluded NC comes back with a couple of names of folk who had positions different from the profs (some folk still think the earth is flat btw). All in the name of balance of course. But actually just felt like the BBC being concerned that an opinion that could be deemed pro-YES went unchallenged.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Interesting that oil seems to be top of the No campaign agenda now, after 6 months of playing it down.
Do you think someone has spilled the beans about the secret West Coast oil fields.
Do you think someone has spilled the beans about the secret West Coast oil fields.
Foxholer
Blackballed
The headline, of course (and was it a headline?), didn't mention the key part of the statement - the 'if Scotland walks away its share of UK Debt' bit!
I heard Salmond on the radio this morning having a go at Cameron again saying he was running scared and thats why he's in Aberdeen and paying Scotland 'more' attention.
He (Salmond) seems to be using child like taunts at everything Cameron does, wheres the intelligent discussions and political debate? Mans a buffoon
He (Salmond) seems to be using child like taunts at everything Cameron does, wheres the intelligent discussions and political debate? Mans a buffoon
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
You'd need to ask Cameron, as PM of this country he refuses to engage in either with Salmond.
I have zero love for the jambo leader of The SNP, but the constant name calling and stereo typing of him by the main stream media is shameful, and it spills out into everyday life too where he's portrayed as wee fat eck, wearing a kilt and usually eating.
he has nothing to engage with as Salmond cant/wont come up with any definitive statements therefore it would be all assumption discussions and that can only lead one way.
One Planer
Global Moderator
Why would/should Cameron engage in a debate on a subject that is currently a Scottish matter?
Adi2Dassler
Journeyman Pro
But he can come up here and tell us we'd be unable to to survive without him?
As we say, Aye.Right.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yes indeed - but as is the way of things I read a fair bit of comment where the 'walk away' context was not mentioned. And of course it was going to be £5400 (or whatever the £5k+ figure mentioned was - I can't recall the precise figure). So implication was that a YES will result in your mortgage going up by £5k+
Yes - it's just reporting - and it isn't the truth.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Quite - it seems that Cameron can engage in the debate without engaging in the debate. And @Gareth - do you honestly consider whether Scotland leaves the UK or not, a matter for the Scottish electorate only and that there are no other stakeholders in the decision? You may not care one way or another but a lot of folks outside of Scotland do - either because of potential impact on rUK if Scotland did leave - or like me for reasons closer to home.
It is hugely disingenuous to pretend that Cameron won't debate with Salmond because this is a matter for Scotland, when it clearly is not simply a matter for Scotland. Only Scotland will decide, but the implications and ramifications for rUK are many.
Val
Ryder Cup Winner
It's a union matter, he is PM if the union.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
At the moment!
Things must be really bad as I saw that a recent poll had Labour in the lead for 2015.
The Kippers vote seems to have collapsed.
FairwayDodger
Money List Winner
The whole salmond v Cameron debate thing is such a transparently obvious tactic it's quite depressing. Salmond doesn't want a debate, he wants to manipulate things to associate Cameron and the Tories (almost universally despised up here) directly with the no campaign and turn it into an "independence or Tories" question. If he really wanted a debate he'd have one with darling or Alexander who are both happy to take up the challenge.
This issue transcends party politics, I'd take all the politicians out of it right now and make an end to all this pathetic childish posturing.
"Oh they're feart, they're bullies"; the man has no shame.
This issue transcends party politics, I'd take all the politicians out of it right now and make an end to all this pathetic childish posturing.
"Oh they're feart, they're bullies"; the man has no shame.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Surely Cameron IS on the side and part of the NO campaign if simply from observing his exhorting the rest of UK to encourage the Scots electorate to vote NO to stay in the union. If he doesn't support the NO campaign he wouldn't be doing so.
