Scotland Debate

[FairwayDodger]

Your opinion is certainly one that alot of folk agree with.Personally, I like them, find them very relaxing to watch, but I know it's caused issues near my but n ben near kirkcudbright and the solway firth where folk think they're too close to land, or near Moffat where they're removed 100's of acres of land to accomodate huge arrays.

norway might have the right solution...they're off shore ones have to be a certain distance from the shore, naked to the visible eye.Makes it more pricey to bring ashore, but a reasonable compromise.

In Leith there is a competition being ran for local communities to win the chance to erect and run their own turbine beside the sewage plant at Seafield, it's been very popular

I think locating the wind turbines is the main issue. Down at seafield - no problem - but I am pretty fed up seeing all this industrial kit cropping up all round the countryside.

 

[lex!]

I was shocked when I saw the plans for Lauder, complete disregard for the aspect, whilst villagers are offered sweeteners for other local improvements.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Loved the reasons Scottish Power gave for abandoning the Tiree Wind Array.

1) More baskings sharks and breeding ground than they expected
2) The seabed rock was very hard (didn't Stevenson discover that when building Skerryvore lighthouse in mid 19th Century?)
3) The sea was rougher than they expected - it's the bleedin' Atlantic and Tiree is the windiest place in the UK

 

[FairwayDodger]

Tiree is the windiest place in the UK

And also the sunniest, allegedly (can't say I noticed that personally)! Great place to go to drop off the planet for a week or two!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And also the sunniest, allegedly (can't say I noticed that personally)! Great place to go to drop off the planet for a week or two!

It has most hours of sunshine in late May early June. I've had many and some fantastic holidays out there - my father is from the island - and I take my mind to a quiet spot on a headland near my uncle's croft when I need to put myself in a place of serenity and peace. We all need one of these places.

 

[Val]

Going back to Scottish businesses and how it will effect their businesses, I know of 2 businesses who both turn over in excess of £100m and are firmly in the no camp but cannot publicly show their hand as it would have a detrimental effect on their business right now

 

[NWJocko]

Going back to Scottish businesses and how it will effect their businesses, I know of 2 businesses who both turn over in excess of £100m and are firmly in the no camp but cannot publicly show their hand as it would have a detrimental effect on their business right now

I see RBS has placed TSB into an English holding company now aswell. Although this is more to do with the IPO and investors (confirmed) uncertainty of investment if it remained a Scottish company due to lack of clarity about what would happen give a Yes vote.

 

[Val]

I see RBS has placed TSB into an English holding company now aswell. Although this is more to do with the IPO and investors (confirmed) uncertainty of investment if it remained a Scottish company due to lack of clarity about what would happen give a Yes vote.

I think there will be lots of this going on

 

[ger147]

I see RBS has placed TSB into an English holding company now aswell. Although this is more to do with the IPO and investors (confirmed) uncertainty of investment if it remained a Scottish company due to lack of clarity about what would happen give a Yes vote.

RBS doesn't own TSB, Lloyds does and it has been registered in England as the current holding company within the current Lloyds structure that holds TSB is also registered in England.

Nowt to do with the impending Yes/No vote up here.

 

[NWJocko]

RBS doesn't own TSB, Lloyds does and it has been registered in England as the current holding company within the current Lloyds structure that holds TSB is also registered in England.

Nowt to do with the impending Yes/No vote up here.

Sorry, Lloyds not RBS.

According to the Telegraph today this is a new move based on the uncertainty a Yes vote would bring in terms of the sale of TSB? TSB, as it stands, is a Scottish registered subsidiary I think.

I read it at 5am on a train this morning so may have missed some other points right enough....

 

[ger147]

Sorry, Lloyds not RBS.

According to the Telegraph today this is a new move based on the uncertainty a Yes vote would bring in terms of the sale of TSB? TSB, as it stands, is a Scottish registered subsidiary I think.

I read it at 5am on a train this morning so may have missed some other points right enough....

The current TSB holding company within Lloyds corporate structure is registered in England but TSB is licenced to be a bank in Scotland.

The new arrangement will be identical.

 

[NWJocko]

The current TSB holding company within Lloyds corporate structure is registered in England but TSB is licenced to be a bank in Scotland.

The new arrangement will be identical.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...e-TSB-in-England-as-Scottish-fears-mount.html

Seems it is a change to both Lloyds and TSB.

Should have just posted this link originally,

Pertinent paragraph....

It is a marked change from TSB’s current ownership structure. Both TSB Bank plc, in which the bank itself sits, and Lloyds Banking Group plc, are incorporated in Scotland.

 

[ger147]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...e-TSB-in-England-as-Scottish-fears-mount.html

Seems it is a change to both Lloyds and TSB.

Should have just posted this link originally!

Neither of those companies are the holding company for TSB, which is currently registered in England as the new one will be.

I work in Banking and have done for many years. Trust me, no change.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/20/lloyds-holding-company-tsb-bank-float

 

[NWJocko]

Neither of those companies are the holding company for TSB, which is currently registered in England as the new one will be.

I work in Banking and have done for many years. Trust me, no change.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/feb/20/lloyds-holding-company-tsb-bank-float

So do, and so have I

Lloyds are selling a stake in TSB so the parent company has no bearing.

 

[ger147]

So do, and so have I

Lloyds are selling a stake in TSB so the parent company has no bearing.

And it's the new holding company that is being registered in England, not TSB itself.

 

[NWJocko]

And it's the new holding company that is being registered in England, not TSB itself.

The holding company for TSB, which is currently registered in Scotland.

The IPO is for TSB directly, not for Lloyds (whichever vehicle they use to hold TSB, although even that has moved)

Have you read the article?

 

[ger147]

The holding company for TSB, which is currently registered in Scotland.

The IPO is for TSB directly, not for Lloyds (whichever vehicle they use to hold TSB, although even that has moved)

Have you read the article?

Have you read the Guardian article:

"The new holding company – TSB Banking Group plc – is based in England and Wales, which may disappoint those who had hoped it would be registered in Scotland, the traditional base of the bank.

However, as a result of the complex structure of banks, the holding company replaces one that was already registered in England. The arm through which customers actually conduct their business, TSB Bank plc, will continue to be licensed in Scotland."

 

[NWJocko]

Have you read the Guardian article:

"The new holding company – TSB Banking Group plc – is based in England and Wales, which may disappoint those who had hoped it would be registered in Scotland, the traditional base of the bank.

However, as a result of the complex structure of banks, the holding company replaces one that was already registered in England. The arm through which customers actually conduct their business, TSB Bank plc, will continue to be licensed in Scotland."

To be honest I try not to read the guardian!

Interesting as they have completely different takes on it.....

 

[Foxholer]

The movement away from Scotland is only inference and opinion imo.

Torygraph and Daily Muck are spinning their own agendas on this one! In this case, Guardian article (unusually) appears to be much more in line with my view of responsible reporting - simply reporting - whereas Torygraph and DM have also told us what to think! Torygraph omits the paragraph about the existing structure, as it's at odds with their view.

Comparing different Newspapers articles (and headlines) on the same item/incident is always fun!

It would make sense for Lloyds to choose England/Wales as a place to register any company designed to support the IPO/Sale, purely to eliminate any uncertainty that the referendum has introduced.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

RBS to shed another 30,000 jobs.
There can't be many left now?