Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

Is this a new ploy by the #45? All vote Toryboy and destroy Northern England?

Thanks ......never thought of that, I'll have a word with the other 44 :lol:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How do you know that?
Provide me with evidence of your statement.
Are you able to foresee future events before they happen?
Do you just make up things to support your views?

Etc etc etc.

There is a few things that should give you a clue

It was a feeling as opposed to anything concrete

And you are proving a perfect example with your reactions - null and void vote the crowning glory

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Is this a new ploy by the #45? All vote Toryboy and destroy Northern England?

One of the #45 wanted the border of Scotland lowered to include the North of England - suppose that would destroy it

 

[Fish]

How do you know that?
Provide me with evidence of your statement.
Are you able to foresee future events before they happen?
Do you just make up things to support your views?

Etc etc etc.

Are you looking in a mirror and asking yourself this :smirk:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Are you looking in a mirror and asking yourself this :smirk:

They don't like it up them Jonesy:smirk:

Notice......... he did not even answer one of my questions

 

[Deleted member 15344]

They don't like it up them Jonesy:smirk:

Notice......... he did not even answer one of my questions

I'll make you a deal - I'll answer all those questions once you go through the thread and answer every single question you avoided on here :thup:

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'll make you a deal - I'll answer all those questions once you go through the thread and answer every single question you avoided on here :thup:

deflect deflect deflect once again, avoid the questions you can't possibly answer.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

deflect deflect deflect once again, avoid the questions you can't possibly answer.

How do you know that? - It was a gut feeling
Provide me with evidence of your statement. you are my evidence
Are you able to foresee future events before they happen? - nope
Do you just make up things to support your views? Nope

Etc etc etc.

Your turn to answer all the questions you have avoided

 

[Val]

Time for a bit of Honesty all round, I am well aware that I am being slated for my views. I am not really an SNP supporter or an independent Scotland supporter. My political views would probably match those of John Smith, David Owen, David Steel and Shirley Williams.
I have rather been forced down those avenues by the total ineptitude of the modern political parties.
The SNP have made a good job of running a devolved Scotland, I think most sensible folk can see that. That is why they earned my vote.

Now regarding the honesty and the 'heckling' of Yes supporters on her......imagine...for one wee moment if the Yes had pulled off a victory.......what would you NO guys and gals be saying on here. Be honest now.

Interesting, here's me thinking it was about independence not any party? So are you saying you are now a nationalist and agree with their policies or do you just want independence which is completely different.

I'd have been pretty depressed by the narrow-mindedness of my fellow scots, might have mumped a bit about SNP lies I suppose, but would have stated that I'd been convinced that independence wasn't going to be an economic disaster and that I'd respect the result and try to play my part in making a success of it.

Likewise, I'd have been majorly disappointed however I'd have got on with it, I have bills to pay so I would have had no option but to deal with it.

deflect deflect deflect once again, avoid the questions you can't possibly answer.

Wow, what a major pot a kettle statement, I'm unsure if you ever answered any question posed to you straight on this thread.

 

[c1973]

Interesting, here's me thinking it was about independence not any party? So are you saying you are now a nationalist and agree with their policies or do you just want independence which is completely different.

What I can't understand is where he states he is 'Not really an snp supporter or an independent Scotland supporter' but stated previously he was a yes supporter/voter.

I can't work that one out at all. If your not a supporter of an independent Scotland why in God's good name would you vote for it? Absolutely baffling comment that.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Interesting, here's me thinking it was about independence not any party? So are you saying you are now a nationalist and agree with their policies or do you just want independence which is completely different.

My first post on this thread was in support of a Scottish 'Conservative' blogger.
I then supported Devo Max but that was not on the table until after I had cast my postal vote, slightly miffed about that.
As the debate developed it was easy to see that the London parties were pretty clueless about the main priorities of an Independent Scotland and some of the guff spewed out by the media was totally flawed.
eg Scaring Scottish pensioners that they would have their pensions devalued and an Independent Scotland would not be able to pay them. Did you notice that it was NOT a politician who corrected the fact that it was the UK government that had to honour those pensions. Damage was done though and many oldies voted NO to 'save' their pensions.
After that I thought if the existing London leaders can tell us bare faced lies we would probably be better off on or own. I know Salmond can streatch a point but I don't think even he would drop to that kind of standard.

So
a] I would have preferred to vote NO if Devo Max had been offered. and b] I am not a natural SNP supporter but their is no other sensible Scottish option other than not voting.

 

[Val]

What I can't understand is where he states he is 'Not really an snp supporter or an independent Scotland supporter' but stated previously he was a yes supporter/voter.

I can't work that one out at all. If your not a supporter of an independent Scotland why in God's good name would you vote for it? Absolutely baffling comment that.

Like most of his posts on this thread, shot from the hip with no chain of thought then ignore the questions asked.

 

[NWJocko]

My first post on this thread was in support of a Scottish 'Conservative' blogger.
I then supported Devo Max but that was not on the table until after I had cast my postal vote, slightly miffed about that.
As the debate developed it was easy to see that the London parties were pretty clueless about the main priorities of an Independent Scotland and some of the guff spewed out by the media was totally flawed.
eg Scaring Scottish pensioners that they would have their pensions devalued and an Independent Scotland would not be able to pay them. Did you notice that it was NOT a politician who corrected the fact that it was the UK government that had to honour those pensions. Damage was done though and many oldies voted NO to 'save' their pensions.
After that I thought if the existing London leaders can tell us bare faced lies we would probably be better off on or own. I know Salmond can streatch a point but I don't think even he would drop to that kind of standard.

So
a] I would have preferred to vote NO if Devo Max had been offered. and b] I am not a natural SNP supporter but their is no other sensible Scottish option other than not voting.

Salmond said last week this was a once in a generation chance at independence and he would accept the result.

Today he says that the SNP can ignore the democratic process and declare independence with a sufficient majority in Holyrood.

All politicians tell bare faced lies.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Like most of his posts on this thread, shot from the hip with no chain of thought then ignore the questions asked.

I beg you pardon, could you guys please try to be a bit more civilised.
I have tried to answer any questions posed, perhaps you can remind me of the ones I have missed.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Salmond said last week this was a once in a generation chance at independence and he would accept the result.

Today he says that the SNP can ignore the democratic process and declare independence with a sufficient majority in Holyrood.

All politicians tell bare faced lies.

I think he is a wee bit upset. He has spent 40 years chasing his dream.

BTW I think any country/region can declare a UDI at anytime.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Salmond said last week this was a once in a generation chance at independence and he would accept the result.
All politicians tell bare faced lies.

Not 100% accurate. Throughout the campaign Alec Salmond said that after the vote Scotland would still be in the EU and would keep the pound. And fair play to him, the results are in and Scotland are still in the EU and do still have the pound.

 

[Val]

I beg you pardon, could you guys please try to be a bit more civilised.
I have tried to answer any questions posed, perhaps you can remind me of the ones I have missed.

If I had time I'd trawl through and find them but recently I asked you on 3 occasions why you were so sure an iScotland would ditch the BBC and you never furnished the thread with an answer, maybe it was just my questions you dodged but you dodged plenty.

As for being civilised, where am I not being civilised?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

If I had time I'd trawl through and find them but recently I asked you on 3 occasions why you were so sure an iScotland would ditch the BBC and you never furnished the thread with an answer, maybe it was just my questions you dodged but you dodged plenty.

As for being civilised, where am I not being civilised?

I think the BBC thing is in the White Paper. I remember reading about using existing BBC facilities to create a SBC and buy in BBC programmes when required
I assumed that it was common knowledge.

Civilised/last post was pretty rude, may be true :lol: but is was also rude.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I beg you pardon, could you guys please try to be a bit more civilised.
I have tried to answer any questions posed, perhaps you can remind me of the ones I have missed.

You must be joking - you have spent most of the thread avoiding any question put to you after you post something utterly ridiculous

I'm struggling to decide which was the most ridiculous

Reckon the one suggesting the Scottish Border be moved further South to include the north of England - that was the cherry on top

 

[williamalex1]

You must be joking - you have spent most of the thread avoiding any question put to you after you post something utterly ridiculous

I'm struggling to decide which was the most ridiculous

Reckon the one suggesting the Scottish Border be moved further South to include the north of England - that was the cherry on top

I think he was joking about moving the border.
But in England, is it true the further north you get from Westminster there's increasing feelings of being treated as 2nd class citizens and discontentment with the powers that be ???.