Scotland Debate

[Adi2Dassler]

SNP now 3rd largest political party in The UK now.

This might be a stretch, but consider:

GE May 2015

Closely fought battle in England between Labour/Tories, UKIP get a couple of MP's, Scotland sends 40 odd SNP MPs to Westminster in protest to Labour.

SNP could, in theory be the party to form a collation govt at Westminster!

 

[FairwayDodger]

Ha! I think Labour are close to destroying themselves in England too...refusal to back more English only voting at Westminster ( I think there should be btw) will result in a backlash in May south of the border.

Yeah, Cameron has outfoxed them for sure.

 

[ger147]

Explain...please.

None required.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Why do you doubt that ?

Yes wer the vocal ones , yes were the ones in people's faces , yes were the ones with the forceful message

No people were very quiet and dignified -

Yes have thrown their teddies out of the cot and continue to do so.

How do you know that Phil....by watching the telly and reading the newspapers....yea?

Quiet and dignified ...........not where I live. It was completely the opposite from what you say.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

No I didn't - I was very specific. I said 'much' not 'all' of Scottish identity and I said 'many' Scots and again not 'all'.

Much ?! many ?!

Generic statements or meaningless

How do you know how "many" or "much" feel - have you asked them ?

Your nation had the choice - that choice has been made - either cry about it and act like a child who didn't get the bike for Xmas or look forward to how the country can move forward together with more powers

So much bitterness flying around at the moment

The fact some are trying to suggest ways to make the vote null and void is laughable

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How do you know that Phil....by watching the telly and reading the newspapers....yea?

Quiet and dignified ...........not where I live. It was completely the opposite from what you say.

By listening to debates , by watching the telly , reading papers , social media , listening to the radio - speaking to friends

The Yes were very very vocal

 

[FairwayDodger]

Time for a bit of Honesty all round, I am well aware that I am being slated for my views. I am not really an SNP supporter or an independent Scotland supporter. My political views would probably match those of John Smith, David Owen, David Steel and Shirley Williams.
I have rather been forced down those avenues by the total ineptitude of the modern political parties.
The SNP have made a good job of running a devolved Scotland, I think most sensible folk can see that. That is why they earned my vote.

Now regarding the honesty and the 'heckling' of Yes supporters on her......imagine...for one wee moment if the Yes had pulled off a victory.......what would you NO guys and gals be saying on here. Be honest now.

I'd have been pretty depressed by the narrow-mindedness of my fellow scots, might have mumped a bit about SNP lies I suppose, but would have stated that I'd been convinced that independence wasn't going to be an economic disaster and that I'd respect the result and try to play my part in making a success of it.

 

[NWJocko]

How do you know that Phil....by watching the telly and reading the newspapers....yea?

Quiet and dignified ...........not where I live. It was completely the opposite from what you say.

Maybe in your village DfT but, from speaking to friends on a daily basis and observing on social media, Yes we're very much the "loud" presence in the debate. They continue to be with "traitor/feart/coward" etc thrown at anyone outside "#clan45"....

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Maybe in your village DfT but, from speaking to friends on a daily basis and observing on social media, Yes we're very much the "loud" presence in the debate. They continue to be with "traitor/feart/coward" etc thrown at anyone outside "#clan45"....

My carers allow me out of my village occasionally, even to the big cities:lol:

I never witnessed any poor behaviour from Yes supporters....they were vocal....but never out of order.

One of my neighbours who works in Glasgow had his expensive car 'keyed'. He was daft enough to display Yes stickers
He does not know where it happened

 

[c1973]

You need to understand if you can how so much of the Scottish identity and social and cultural landscape has for about 100yrs and more been built upon the notion of a nation sold for gold becoming 'free' again. And when given the opportunity we have said No Thanks. I can understand how so many of my fellow Scots will find that very difficult to adjust to. One of the reasons I rather hoped Scotland would vote YES would be to avoid that and the 'fall-out' that has indeed in full swing. And as much as you might weary of the noises North and want Scots to just shut up and get on with it - well that's a bit like telling a manic depressive alcoholic to cheer up and stop drinking.

Oh dear. Let me get this straight, are you saying if it was a yes vote everyone would have accepted it and there would have been no fall out?

Although some Scots might share your view, it would appear that most Scots cultural and social landscape is entwined with the UK and not in some tartan and shortbread braveheart utopian nonsense. Now, whether anyone disagrees or refuses to accept that is up to them, but the referendum kinda showed that to be the case.

Some of us Scots can actually look forward and not hold some outdated grudge about a parcel o rogues in a nation. Bear in mind that the parcel of rogues that 'allegedly' shafted the nation were Scottish (some Normans, possibly Danes and Irish blood in their too mind). I'd say we have just narrowly avoided a parcel o rogues screwing the country so badly we would be back, cap in hand, rather sharpish (just my opinion though).

We all have our point of view though, however ludicrous it may appear to some, and you are most certainly entitled to yours.

 

[c1973]

Maybe in your village DfT but, from speaking to friends on a daily basis and observing on social media, Yes we're very much the "loud" presence in the debate. They continue to be with "traitor/feart/coward" etc thrown at anyone outside "#clan45"....

Is the correct answer. No were certainly less in your face, from all I have witnessed up here.

 

[bluewolf]

Ha! I think Labour are close to destroying themselves in England too...refusal to back more English only voting at Westminster ( I think there should be btw) will result in a backlash in May south of the border.

Taking a wider view, and forgetting for a moment that Cameron is largely a moron, it would appear that he is about to do something so politically impressive and diabolical, that his Heroine Maggie herself could never even have contemplated!! He's about to destroy Labour and ensure a a Tory majority for the next 30 years!! The guy should be accompanied by the Imperial March every time he walks into the room.

 

[Foxholer]

Well I expect they would be saying good luck and getting on with life and helping make an Independant Scotland

They wouldn't be acting like a spoilt child who was refused some sweets

Er. I beg to differ!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/p...-square-in-glasgow-following-confront#1vxo3n8

If that's what they were like after a victory, the pram would have been well and truly destroyed - imo!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Taking a wider view, and forgetting for a moment that Cameron is largely a moron, it would appear that he is about to do something so politically impressive and diabolical, that his Heroine Maggie herself could never even have contemplated!! He's about to destroy Labour and ensure a a Tory majority for the next 30 years!! The guy should be accompanied by the Imperial March every time he walks into the room.

You have to admire him as he was a couple of days away from resigning, what is it they say about a week in politics.
It was pretty funny watching the faces and body language of the politicians from both sides of the divide when they had to work together.
George Galloway sharing the same platform with Ruth Davidson [Scots Tory Leader for the English /Scots experts] was very funny.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Er. I beg to differ!

http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/p...-square-in-glasgow-following-confront#1vxo3n8

If that's what they were like after a victory, the pram would have been well and truly destroyed - imo!

And judging by the reaction of some yes campaigners I have a feeling there would have been a lot more gloating and a lot more trouble

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You have to admire him as he was a couple of days away from resigning, what is it they say about a week in politics.
It was pretty funny watching the faces and body language of the politicians from both sides of the divide when they had to work together.
George Galloway sharing the same platform with Ruth Davidson [Scots Tory Leader for the English /Scots experts] was very funny.

Sorry but you keep posting these unfounded and statements plucked from thin air but couple days from resigning ?!

 

[bluewolf]

Sorry but you keep posting these unfounded and statements plucked from thin air but couple days from resigning ?!

Cameron would have most likely been forced to resign if the YES vote had won. As it stands now, he's about to become the Tories new poster boy and lead them into a New Age of Power.. God help the poor and disadvantaged now...

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I am so impressed with the way Cameron has handled himself that I might even vote Tory at the next election. Marginal seat as well.

 

[bluewolf]

I am so impressed with the way Cameron has handled himself that I might even vote Tory at the next election. Marginal seat as well.

Is this a new ploy by the #45? All vote Toryboy and destroy Northern England?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

And judging by the reaction of some yes campaigners I have a feeling there would have been a lot more gloating and a lot more trouble

How do you know that?
Provide me with evidence of your statement.
Are you able to foresee future events before they happen?
Do you just make up things to support your views?

Etc etc etc.