Scotland Debate

[FairwayDodger]

Of course I accept the result and the will of the Scottish people. I am also saying is that the result was gained by last minute fag packet panic measures by the London leaders of promises that they will find hard to deliver.

That fooled perhaps 8 to 10% of voters into voting No. The result was based on those promises only for some to feel that a few days later they have been sold a pup by a snake oil salesman.

Polling evidence suggests the vast majority of no voters made up their mind over a year ago.

My own view is that westminster blinked too soon. I haven't voted for, nor do I particularly want, any additional powers for Holyrood and I don't believe it changed the outcome of the vote. However, they promised and now need to deliver. You, the SNP, #the45 and everyone else needs to give them the time and opportunity to do just that.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Polling evidence suggests the vast majority of no voters made up their mind over a year ago.

My own view is that westminster blinked too soon. I haven't voted for, nor do I particularly want, any additional powers for Holyrood and I don't believe it changed the outcome of the vote. However, they promised and now need to deliver. You, the SNP, #the45 and everyone else needs to give them the time and opportunity to do just that.

Well actually

You, the SNP, #the45 and everyone else

have no choice but to wait and see.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Well actually have no choice but to wait and see.

Yeah but it'd be nice if they stopped whining in the meantime and if the SNP government could get on with running the country since that's what they're paid for.

 

[Val]

.......have no choice but to wait and see.

And a long wait at that, this won't materialise for a long long time, if ever. Can you remember the last independence referendum in Scotland?

 

[Val]

Of course I accept the result and the will of the Scottish people. I am also saying is that the result was gained by last minute fag packet panic measures by the London leaders of promises that they will find hard to deliver.

That fooled perhaps 8 to 10% of voters into voting No. The result was based on those promises only for some to feel that a few days later they have been sold a pup by a snake oil salesman.

Rubbish, spoken like a bitter old man.

 

[Kraxx68]

So when will the English be able to Vote for Independence or even a divorce from Europe... as with Messer's Cameron on his plans to limit the Commons voting rights of Scottish MPs... Seems the majority does not have a say...

 

[bluewolf]

So when will the English be able to Vote for Independence or even a divorce from Europe... as with Messer's Cameron on his plans to limit the Commons voting rights of Scottish MPs... Seems the majority does not have a say...

How do you know that the majority want a referendum on Europe or a devolved English parliament?

 

[FairwayDodger]

How do you know that the majority want a referendum on Europe or a devolved English parliament?

Doon told him.

 

[Kraxx68]

Well we won't if we can't get a vote on it...

 

[Fish]

Doon told him.

 

[bluewolf]

Well we won't if we can't get a vote on it...

We won't what? know?

I don't want a referendum on Europe. I don't want a devolved English Parliament. I may be in the minority, or just maybe in the majority. I don't know, and neither do you.

I want the current system to be tightened up and MP's made accountable. It's the scourge of modern society to claim that something isn't working and therefore requires completely changing. It doesn't.. It needs the current rules/laws enforcing..

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

And a long wait at that, this won't materialise for a long long time, if ever. Can you remember the last independence referendum in Scotland?

Well of course there wasn't a parliament until 1997 and if I understand it correctly the way the elections for Holyrood are set up is to defend against any one party having a majority. But Salmond and the SNP battled their way around that particular Maginot Line and got the majority that gave them the mandate to seek the referendum. I'm guessing that the electoral system may prevent a majority being achieved again and hence such a majority mandate may not be achievable.

But who knows - the SNP most certainly aren't going to push through legislation preventing it happening again - and so it is up to the other parties to come together in coalition government and p;as legislation to ENSURE no one party can ever again have a majority in Holyrood. That would shut out the SNP from every again having a majority mandate for a referendum.

 

[FairwayDodger]

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Maybe time for deep breaths and a reminder of why we love our country......

 

[bluewolf]

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Maybe time for deep breaths and a reminder of why we love our country......

Ok Karen and Val.... Deep dark secret time... If I was Scottish, I'd have voted YES......

 

[Adi2Dassler]

Still totally gutted.


Carry on.

 

[Val]

Still totally gutted.


Carry on.

I know a couple who were so devastated on Friday they couldn't send their kids to school.

Neither went to work either as neither work. Tells its own story in North Lanarkshire if you ask me.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I know a couple who were so devastated on Friday they couldn't send their kids to school.

Neither went to work either as neither work. Tells its own story in North Lanarkshire if you ask me.

I've been defriended by a yes-voting former friend on facebook. And I didn't even post anything on there, just "liked" a few things.

 

[NWJocko]

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Maybe time for deep breaths and a reminder of why we love our country......

Very true.

The bitterness from (some of) Yes supporters is saddening to see.

Salmond showing his true colours as a clown he is rather than the Statesmen he's pretended to be doesn't reflect well either. Typical Scotland, praise from all sides for the way the democratic process ran and instead of keeping it up, once the response was No toys are coming out of the pram left right an centre......

 

[Adi2Dassler]

I know a couple who were so devastated on Friday they couldn't send their kids to school.

Neither went to work either as neither work. Tells its own story in North Lanarkshire if you ask me.

Well that's pathetic. I've been in work everyday, I've subjected myself to travelling to Dumfries to watch my 'football' team lose, I played golf with my NO voting cousin and I'm playing fives with a bunch of them tonight.

Life carries on and I'm devising a plan to destroy Scottish Labour, I'll need as many allies as I can muster for that

 

[Birchy]

I know a couple who were so devastated on Friday they couldn't send their kids to school.

Neither went to work either as neither work. Tells its own story in North Lanarkshire if you ask me.

Honestly?

Don't tell me they are going to blame it for ruining their lives now?

I bet their kids are wondering what the hell is going on.