Scotland Debate

[Doon frae Troon]

So the fact that you live in a backwater hamlet is a fair comparison to life in Tower Hamlets! Take a look at these issues in larger connabations in Scotland and you will get a different picture.

Which of the five things I listed would be different in say Aberdeen, Falkirk, Livingstone or Dumfries then?
Bear in mind Crime is a percentage figure.

 

[Old Skier]

Douglas Alexander v Daphnie on BBC 1 [Scotland] tonight 22.40.
Should be entertaining.

Not really as everything DA says will be lies, more lies and even more lies whilst dear old Daphnie (whoever she is) will (if she's a Yes supporter) be the only one telling the truth.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Have the Scots invaded England again?

I get same day/next day GP appointments - I can't possibly be living in England.
Last year I bought a 3 bed detached house in a nice area of town, in sight of the Nth Yorks National Park and the North Sea. Did I say it was so cheap I didn't pay stamp duty? Maybe Nth Yorks is part of Scotland?
Education, & school choices. No problem around here! You've almost got me convinced I'm in Scotland...
Traffic, what traffic? Miles I do loads off, predominantly in northern England. A regular run is 135 miles to sunny Grimsby, and the same back... usually about 2hrs each way. Must be part of Scotland.
Crime, well I could take you to some really rough areas of the northeast. But they're safer than areas of Scotland. And I could take you to areas of the northeast that are as safe as the Highlands & Islands.

You don't half peddle some rubbish Doon. Have you found that bit in Section 30 yet that does mention finance?

My comments I quoted were all from friends and relatives who live in North Yorks, Norfolk, Wilts, Kent, Essex, IOW and South Wales. So not really my rubbish.

I travel in North England a bit and whilst it is not nearly as scarey as the Deep South it is still much busier than Scotland.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not really as everything DA says will be lies, more lies and even more lies whilst dear old Daphnie (whoever she is) will (if she's a Yes supporter) be the only one telling the truth.

Nicola will be pleased!
Surprised a Scot does not know who Daphnie is.

 

[Old Skier]

Nicola will be pleased!
Surprised a Scot does not know who Daphnie is.

I'm British/Welsh

 

[c1973]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27690028

Another independent report indicating Salmonds vision of a land of milk and honey might prove to be a tad more costly to the nation than first thought.

No doubt it will be shot down and dismissed with cries of 'nonsense',' simply not true',' we don't believe that to be the case' and other positive sound bites from Salmond and his cronies.

 

[ger147]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27690028

Another independent report indicating Salmonds vision of a land of milk and honey might prove to be a tad more costly to the nation than first thought.

No doubt it will be shot down and dismissed with cries of 'nonsense',' simply not true',' we don't believe that to be the case' and other positive sound bites from Salmond and his cronies.

I have no real interest in any points scoring exercise as this thread has largely become, but any report based on OBR data can no more claim to be "independent" that anything that the SNP produce on the Yes side.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I have no real interest in any points scoring exercise as this thread has largely become, but any report based on OBR data can no more claim to be "independent" that anything that the SNP produce on the Yes side.

I thought the OBR was independent by its very nature. In fact, the whole point of setting it up was for it to be politically neutral?

 

[Old Skier]

I thought the OBR was independent by its very nature. In fact, the whole point of setting it up was for it to be politically neutral?

You are dealing with the Tin Foil Hat brigade though.

 

[ger147]

I thought the OBR was independent by its very nature. In fact, the whole point of setting it up was for it to be politically neutral?

Of course it is - 2 of the 5 board members are ex HM Treasury and a 3rd has conducted policy reviews for the government. Not political at all.

 

[c1973]

Of course it is - 2 of the 5 board members are ex HM Treasury and a 3rd has conducted policy reviews for the government. Not political at all.

Ex treasury? So they know what they're doing in theory then. Civil servants are politically neutral surely?

 

[ger147]

Ex treasury? So they know what they're doing in theory then. Civil servants are politically neutral surely?

The idea behind the OBR was to get someone else to do forecasts as the Treasury were not neutral, and then they staff it from the Treasury? Aye, nae bother...

 

[c1973]

The idea behind the OBR was to get someone else to do forecasts as the Treasury were not neutral, and then they staff it from the Treasury? Aye, nae bother...

Might as well just close the thread then. No point in debating owt really.

 

[ger147]

Might as well just close the thread then. No point in debating owt really.

It would actually be a really interesting debate re. Scotland becoming independent or not, the pros and cons etc. but unfortunately there are no facts to be had from either side, so those of us like me with a vote have nothing to base a decision on but gut feel, intuition or simply the idea of being in the UK vs being Independent.

Just for once it would have been nice to be able to make an informed decision based on all the facts but as I don't in fact wear a tin foil hat I didn't expect that to be the case so I've not been let down by either side.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Might win votes but it might upset a few south of the wall. I'm going to have to pay towards HS2 and won't get any benefit so why should the Scots be immune. Income tax goes towards a lot of things so not anything that appeals to me. If we are going down the devo max route by stealth then let Scotland have it's independence even though I am against it.

Seems like Scots are being offered more and more towards Devo Max by BT (inc Scottish Tories) even though Cameron rejected it as a referendum option. So does this mean that Cameron has changed his mind about devo max or that BT are offering something that they can't deliver.

 

[Val]

My comments I quoted were all from friends and relatives who live in North Yorks, Norfolk, Wilts, Kent, Essex, IOW and South Wales. So not really my rubbish.

I travel in North England a bit and whilst it is not nearly as scarey as the Deep South it is still much busier than Scotland.

Never been on the M8 at Glasgow city centre or at the Gyle in Edniburgh or through Bailieston interchange or Eurocentral? What aboth the M80 at Cumbernauld. Equally as busy as the M60/M56/M62.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Never been on the M8 at Glasgow city centre or at the Gyle in Edniburgh or through Bailieston interchange or Eurocentral? What aboth the M80 at Cumbernauld. Equally as busy as the M60/M56/M62.

Don't quite know how debate on traffic came about but from my experience of late - putting rush hours apart - driving in Scotland in the Central Belt is a delight compared with driving in England midlands down. And down here in sunny Surrey, Hants, Berkshire traffic is a nightmare. In fact it is one of the reasons that we are thinking of moving to the north. In fact my wife finds driving in Scotland so pleasant and stress free that she'd even consider moving to Scotland. And back to the referendum debate - she'd be even more inclined to move to a social democratic YES Scotland as she is so depressed by the thought of living in a right of centre UKIP influenced England.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-27690028

Another independent report indicating Salmonds vision of a land of milk and honey might prove to be a tad more costly to the nation than first thought.

No doubt it will be shot down and dismissed with cries of 'nonsense',' simply not true',' we don't believe that to be the case' and other positive sound bites from Salmond and his cronies.

I think that they probably have that correct, it is basically the same warning issued to the UK.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think that they probably have that correct, it is basically the same warning issued to the UK.

What warning issued to the UK ?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Never been on the M8 at Glasgow city centre or at the Gyle in Edniburgh or through Bailieston interchange or Eurocentral? What aboth the M80 at Cumbernauld. Equally as busy as the M60/M56/M62.

Never really used M60/M65/M62 so could not say..... anyway that's nearly the Midlands!!
I find the M6, A66 and A1M/M1 busier than the Scottish central belt where I can usually get to Muirfield from Turnberry in about 2.5 hours......unless the Open is on!.
Sailed up the M80 a couple of weeks ago when it took me just 4.5 hours to get from Cumbernauld to Dornoch at peak hours.