Rule 14-2b Assistance!

[Deleted Member 1156]

To be honest I was pretty happy with my first post on it!! (where I made it clear I had nothing against the rule), I've then felt compelled to reply

It's off topic in any case... so let's leave it there, I don't think we actually disagree on much, as I agree that rules if they exist (agree or disagree with them) should be enforced..

Agreed....let's go have a beer :thup:

 

[pokerjoke]

I have just read all 180 posts it took about 15 mins,however it was a very enjoyable
15 mins.
Delc legend.
Still cant find the "im sorry" I was wrong button.
Then gets the next one wrong as well,quality read.

 

[BTatHome]

What it actually says is:

Rule 14-2b (Assistance)

b. Positioning of Caddie or Partner Behind Ball
A player must not make a stroke with his caddie, his partner or his partner's caddie positioned on or close to an extension of the line of play or line of putt behind the ball.
Exception: There is no penalty if the player’s caddie, his partner or his partner's caddie is inadvertently located on or close to an extension of the line of play or line of putt behind the ball.
PENALTY FOR BREACH OF RULE 14-1 or 14-2:
Match play – Loss of hole; Stroke play – Two strokes.

Decision 14-2/1 Player Aligns Partner's Club Before Stroke

Q A player aligns his partner's putter and then moves away before his partner plays. Is this permissible?

A Yes. Rule 14-2 (Assistance) does not apply prior to making a stroke.


I think the rule should be changed to make it illegal to stand there or assist once the player has taken his or her stance, so no adjustments possible after this.

So if you knew all of this, the actual rule and the decision, why did you decide to post if the caddie lining up was illegal?

 

[delc]

So if you knew all of this, the actual rule and the decision, why did you decide to post if the caddie lining up was illegal?

Er!! At the moment a caddie or playing partner cannot stand directly behind the line of play while the player actually makes his stroke at the ball. However there is nothing to stop them doing so up to the last second before he starts his backswing, as 'Assistance' does not apply prior to the player making a stroke. This effectively means that the PP or caddie can align the player with the target line and then move off the line just before he starts his swing. :mmm:

 

[Colin L]

Er!! At the moment a caddie or playing partner cannot stand directly behind the line of play while the player actually makes his stroke at the ball. However there is nothing to stop them doing so up to the last second before he starts his backswing, as 'Assistance' does not apply prior to the player making a stroke. This effectively means that the PP or caddie can align the player with the target line and then move off the line just before he starts his swing. :mmm:

He would have to move pretty fast - bear in mind the line of play includes a reasonable distance on either side of the intended direction. He would have to be clear of that before the backswing began.

But I don't know why I'm saying this. The idea of a caddie waiting there till the last moment is frankly daft. Who wants someone directly behind him suddenly moving quickly just as he is about to make his stroke?

 

[guest100718]

He would have to move pretty fast - bear in mind the line of play includes a reasonable distance on either side of the intended direction. He would have to be clear of that before the backswing began.

But I don't know why I'm saying this. The idea of a caddie waiting there till the last moment is frankly daft. Who wants someone directly behind him suddenly moving quickly just as he is about to make his stroke?

Is there somewhere in particular I should be standing.......

 

[Colin L]

Is there somewhere in particular I should be standing.......

I'll draw a deep breath ...... and say nowt.

 

[delc]

Is there somewhere in particular I should be standing.......

Opponents and fellow competitors can stand wherever they want to within the rules, but it is poor etiquette to stand too close or in a position that could distract or disturb the player. It is only playing partners and caddies who can't stand directly behind the line of play while the players makes his shot, as this counts as assistance in rule 14-2b.

 

[Allanxyz]

Agreed....let's go have a beer :thup:

:thup:

 

[CMAC]

He would have to move pretty fast - bear in mind the line of play includes a reasonable distance on either side of the intended direction. He would have to be clear of that before the backswing began.

But I don't know why I'm saying this. The idea of a caddie waiting there till the last moment is frankly daft. Who wants someone directly behind him suddenly moving quickly just as he is about to make his stroke?

Faldo used to have Fanny behind him

 

[chrisd]

Er!! At the moment a caddie or playing partner cannot stand directly behind the line of play while the player actually makes his stroke at the ball. However there is nothing to stop them doing so up to the last second before he starts his backswing, as 'Assistance' does not apply prior to the player making a stroke. This effectively means that the PP or caddie can align the player with the target line and then move off the line just before he starts his swing. :mmm:

Sorry, am I missing something?

We know the rule,you got it wrong, so, why are you telling us what the rule is -we know it?

To be honest Del some of your posts and arguments defy logic!

 

[Allanxyz]

Sorry, am I missing something?

We know the rule,you got it wrong, so, why are you telling us what the rule is -we know it?

To be honest Del some of your posts and arguments defy logic!

I must have missed the debate over what the rule is... I thought this was fairly clear to all with no debate. The opening question was, what is the point of the rule...

from my point of view if the caddie can line up the player, then step away before the swing then they have achieved everything they want to... Why do they gain extra from continuing to stand behind the player. So i don't understand why the rule says the caddie can't stand behind the player during the swing. Having said that, I don't think they should be allowed to line up the player full stop...

 

[Deleted member 15344]

This is really such a non event

The actual act of a caddy helping helping a player line up a putt or even drive or iron shot is done by a very minimal of people and mainly on the LPGA where a couple of the Asian ladies ( miyamato is one ) have their caddies help them. But that's it - it's not an epidemic spreading through the game ripping it apart - it doesn't effect the amateur game - hell it doesn't seem to effect the pro game to any significance.

If you want to ban things that slow the game down then there is a big list of stuff before this non event.

 

[Colin L]

Faldo used to have Fanny behind him

In American English , don't we all?

 

[chrisd]

I must have missed the debate over what the rule is... I thought this was fairly clear to all with no debate. The opening question was, what is the point of the rule...

from my point of view if the caddie can line up the player, then step away before the swing then they have achieved everything they want to... Why do they gain extra from continuing to stand behind the player. So i don't understand why the rule says the caddie can't stand behind the player during the swing. Having said that, I don't think they should be allowed to line up the player full stop...

It's Delc taking over and changing the topic that has muddied the OP. I don't understand the point of a caddie moving either but them's the rules and they don't really affect us mere mortals on a day to day basis.

 

[delc]

It's Delc taking over and changing the topic that has muddied the OP. I don't understand the point of a caddie moving either but them's the rules and they don't really affect us mere mortals on a day to day basis.

Er, how could I take over a thread I started?!!!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Er, how can I take over a thread I started?!!!

By sucking the life out of it !

I'm more worried about what rule you want to change next

The most highlighting post of the thread was when someone highlighted the below info

You want the size of the hole to change to help people get the ball into the hole and ensure they don't get the yips ( because you it appears had them ) - yet you don't want caddies helping out pros when they putt ?!

 

[Robobum]

By sucking the life out of it !
?!

That irony is not lost on me Phil!! :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That irony is not lost on me Phil!! :thup:

Not sure what you mean

 

[chrisd]

Er, how could I take over a thread I started?!!!

Yes, you're right Del, your posts are so interesting, how could I have forgotten.