Rule 14-2b Assistance!

[Deleted Member 1156]

Why I and Rory thought the ruling was silly in this case, was that he was taking relief from a spectator walkway, which would not normally be regarded as GUR. I presume that this was a condition of competition for this tournament.

It really doesn't matter what the reason for the GUR is, if the tournament committee has made the decision then the players abide by it. End of.

 

[Allanxyz]

The rule isn't stupid, it is there for a reason. It's been there for a very long time and has been administered by people with a lot better understanding of the game than you or me. Feel free to consider it stupid if you wish but there is a reason for the rule. If you think the rules of golf are stupid maybe you should consider a different pastime.

I'm not sure how many times I have to point out that I don't have an issue with the rule. I was just pointing out that the example you gave didn't prove or disprove that the rule is or isn't silly.

Rules change, the R&A change rules, despite them being there for a reason as you say. The fact there is a reason also doesn't say much about the stupidity of a rule... Maybe a couple of years ago you would have argued that the rule stating you can't rake a bunker for purposes of caring for the course before a shot in that bunker is there for a reason and administered by people that know more about golf than us.... That rule has changed, so what happened?

There are some rules which I find a bit strange in golf or would prefer changed, I think it's ridiculous in the extreme to suggest I should give up the game for that reason.

 

[delc]

I'm not sure how many times I have to point out that I don't have an issue with the rule. I was just pointing out that the example you gave didn't prove or disprove that the rule is or isn't silly.

Rules change, the R&A change rules, despite them being there for a reason as you say. The fact there is a reason also doesn't say much about the stupidity of a rule... Maybe a couple of years ago you would have argued that the rule stating you can't rake a bunker for purposes of caring for the course before a shot in that bunker is there for a reason and administered by people that know more about golf than us.... That rule has changed, so what happened?

There are some rules which I find a bit strange in golf or would prefer changed, I think it's ridiculous in the extreme to suggest I should give up the game for that reason.

I think that some people are still miffed that the stymie rule was changed! The Rules of Golf were not written by God or Moses on tablets of stone, so can be changed by ordinary mortals in the light of experience! :mmm:

 

[rickg]

The Rules of Golf were not written by God or Moses on tablets of stone, so can be changed by ordinary mortals in the light of experience! :mmm:

And they are....on a regular basis.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I was just pointing out that the example you gave didn't prove or disprove that the rule is or isn't silly.

:mmm:

What does that mean?

 

[delc]

And they are....on a regular basis.

Well once every four years anyway, with maybe a few decisions in between!

 

[Allanxyz]

I was just pointing out that the example you gave didn't prove or disprove that the rule is or isn't silly.

:mmm:

What does that mean?

It means that this example doesn't prove the rule is silly or not, it just shows that if the rule exists then not following it could be unfair. But it says nothing about the rule itself.. In my opinion.

OK...so he takes his drop correctly and his follow through is blocked by a tree so he has to chip out sideways. But if he drops 1ft away and is standing on the line, he now has a clear shot to the green.


Hypothetical situation but is it now still a silly rule?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I was just pointing out that the example you gave didn't prove or disprove that the rule is or isn't silly.

Pit means that this example doesn't prove the rule is silly or not, it just shows that if the rule exists then not following it could be unfair. But it says nothing about the rule itself.. In my opinion.

Actually I thought it was a crystal clear example of why you have to drop in the correct place, maybe you just don't seem to understand the importance of doing so? As I said, the tournament committee declared an area of ground as GUR, I'm sure they had their reasons for doing so. If a player then drops incorrectly he may gain an advantage or a disadvantage but either way, the rules have to be followed.

 

[Allanxyz]

Actually I thought it was a crystal clear example of why you have to drop in the correct place, maybe you just don't seem to understand the importance of doing so? As I said, the tournament committee declared an area of ground as GUR, I'm sure they had their reasons for doing so. If a player then drops incorrectly he may gain an advantage or a disadvantage but either way, the rules have to be followed.

maybe you're not reading my earlier posts, you are certainly missing my point. I said McIlroy was correctly penalized and I understand why. You have to play by the rules as they are. I agree, the rules have to be followed.

this, however does not mean you have to agree with the rule, or that you can't think of it as stupid.

The two things are in no way connected, playing by the rules and having an opinion that the rule is silly.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

So why do you think the rule is stupid then?

 

[Allanxyz]

So why do you think the rule is stupid then?

See my previous post

I understand the rule, it's clear and he deserved to be penalised. I haven't said anything to go against this. I don't understand the stick Delc is getting for calling this rule stupid when McIlroy himself said it was silly. To say a rule is stupid isn't so say it's not clear. I've personally got nothing against the rule, but I don't see what's wrong with having an opinion that the rule is stupid.

As I've said previously, obviously not clearly enough..
1. I've nothing against the rule itself
2. McIlroy was right to be penalised
3. Having an opinion on a rule shouldn't be jumped upon as if it's anti-golf
4. Your example shows that this rule must be enforced (which I agree with) but says nothing to it's stupidity or lack thereof

You'l have to ask Delc why he made the comment about the rule being stupid...

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

If you've got nothing against the rule, why do you keep going on about it?

 

[chrisd]

You'l have to ask Delc why he made the comment about the rule being stupid...

I don't think any of us have any plans to do that!

I might just start a poll on which rule he thinks is stupid after this one, I just get the feeling Del needs to get out more!

 

[delc]

See my previous post



As I've said previously, obviously not clearly enough..
1. I've nothing against the rule itself
2. McIlroy was right to be penalised
3. Having an opinion on a rule shouldn't be jumped upon as if it's anti-golf
4. Your example shows that this rule must be enforced (which I agree with) but says nothing to it's stupidity or lack thereof

You'l have to ask Delc why he made the comment about the rule being stupid...

Because I think that relief from a spectator walkway should be optional (as I understand it normally is), rather than compulsory in the form of GUR. However Rory M did definitely infringe rule 25-1b as it stood. :mmm:

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Because I think that relief from a spectator walkway should be optional (as I understand it normally is), rather than compulsory in the form of GUR. However Rory M did infringe the rule as it stood.

I think spectators should throw wayward shots back onto the fairway but not many people would agree with such a rule

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I don't think any of us have any plans to do that!

I might just start a poll on which rule he thinks is stupid after this one, I just get the feeling Del needs to get out more!

Can you start a poll about which rule Delc wants to change next

 

[BTatHome]

Because I think that relief from a spectator walkway should be optional (as I understand it normally is), rather than compulsory in the form of GUR. However Rory M did definitely infringe rule 25-1b as it stood. :mmm:

Why do you think its compulsory? You clearly choose to ignore posts you don't like.

 

[delc]

I don't think any of us have any plans to do that!

I might just start a poll on which rule he thinks is stupid after this one, I just get the feeling Del needs to get out more!

How about a poll on the original subject of this thread? Should caddies be able to line up their players by standing behind the line of play? Yes or No?

 

[delc]

Why do you think its compulsory? You clearly choose to ignore posts you don't like.

If his ball was lying in an area marked as GUR with white lines, then taking relief from it IS compulsory!

 

[chrisd]

Can you start a poll about which rule Delc wants to change next

I'm just thankful he hasn't argued about DMDs - can you imagine him and SILH on the same bandwagon together??