Rooney - "not world class?"

[pbrown7582]

Lol Leeds ha ha ha haat least you know your football mate.
Rooney is world class as a striker simples.

That's better never mind this spit business :lol:

 

[pbrown7582]

Belgium also have wonderful creative players. behind and don't play the two as target men

Both Lukaku and Benteke are very good on the floor - players like Carroll are miles away from those pair in terms of style

With Carroll in the team the ball gets lumped up - that's how West Ham play with him because that's his strengths , that's how a newcastle played with him - he is a good possible option to throw on in the last 5 mins when 1 down.

More time on the pitch with Carroll in the team would mean more balls lumped up and more awful football from England.

You've obviously not been watching much of fellaini this year !!!!!! :rofl:

 

[Pin-seeker]

You've obviously not been watching much of fellaini this year !!!!!! :rofl:

Or Benteke

 

[pbrown7582]

Or Benteke

He won't be playing anyway now out injured with Achilles gone.

 

[evahakool]

My hatred of Joey Barton knows no bounds. Mainly cos he always quotes The Smiths / philosophers in an attempt to be classed as 'intellectual' and I really like The Smiths, and anyone that stubbs a cigarette out in someone's eye can never be classed as intellectual.

However, unfortunately, I agree with a large part of what he's said here:


2) Nobody believes we can win the World Cup. That said, I'd much rather us field a young team of hungry, ambitious players who would kill to wear that shirt than some of those who look like they can no longer give a toss. Genuinely, I'd play: Barkley, Lallana, Ward-Prowse, Shaw, Townsend over people like Cole, Lampard, Milner etc. Might as well build for the future if we're going to write it off before we start!

No Rooneys not world class ,great player but not quite at the top.

Oh how I agree with these thoughts on the England squad , don't think there are many people who think we will even get out of the group, with Hodgson in charge this is going to be a very predictable boring World Cup for England.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

I think the pace of Sturridge and Sterling will frighten defences and give Rooney plenty of opportunities. It is the other end of the park I'm concerned about. We won't keep clean sheets. Rooney in my opinion is a good player but lacks that certain quality that sets the greats apart.

 

[Andy808]

Of course he's world class that's why he's being paid £300K a week. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Over head kick was an overhead shin and the halfway line goal was in very windy conditions so the goalie stood no chance once he had picked the line he thought the ball was traveling for it to move to the other side of the goal.
No he's not world class, never has been and never will be.

 

[pbrown7582]

Of course he's Got a world class agent that's why he's being paid £300K a week. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Over head kick was an overhead shin and the halfway line goal was in very windy conditions so the goalie stood no chance once he had picked the line he thought the ball was traveling for it to move to the other side of the goal.
No he's not world class, never has been and never will be.

fixed that for you :rofl:

 

[Beezerk]

My hatred of Joey Barton knows no bounds. Mainly cos he always quotes The Smiths / philosophers in an attempt to be classed as 'intellectual' and I really like The Smiths, and anyone that stubbs a cigarette out in someone's eye can never be classed as intellectual.

Have you heard his interview with Sir Clive Woodward? I caught some of it on Radio 5 last night, I though the came across very well. Gonna download the podcast so I can listen to it in full.
He had some very harsh words for a lot of people but made a lot of sense IMO.

 

[Papas1982]

My Spurs mate says that Townsend is massively overrated - been found out a bit

Sterling on performances alone should be in any England team , and Sturridge is a guarantee starter and isn't Shaw a LB


If they did concentrate on more youth ( like Germany did ) and brought in a manager with a bit more tactical knowledge about him then England might be more attractive to watch.

I would play

Hart

Johnson
Jagelkia
Cahill
Baines

Gerrard
Barkley
Wilshire

Sterling
Sturridge
Rooney

I agree with that line up except that I don't see lallana? Pretty much every pundit has him nailed down. Sterling IMO will be a sub to use as defences tire. I'd also have Wilshere nowhere near the team.

As as long as sturridge is played centrally, I'll be happy. He has no interest playing wide and is a waste of space played out there.

 

[Papas1982]

I find this a very strange statement to make. What is England quality then? 20 in 24 games this season, what is even more impressive is the fact that he is not the main target man upfront so getting all the chances as SUarez has got 29 in 27, so Sturridge is having to take chances when he gets them.

Ok I would not say he is the most complete all round striker the country has ever seen, but he is quick and will put it away when the chance comes. He is second in the Premier League scoring charts behind Suarez after all said and done. The list of English players goals look like this:

Sturridge 20
Rooney 15
Gerrard 11
Lambert 10
Welbeck 9
Crouch 8
Johnson 8
Ramsey 8

So, who you going to pick as our England partnership then? If Woy goes with 2 upfront which I am sure he will, then obviously Rooney will be one, that means you need someone who is going to push on the last defender and give Rooney space to work. A player that is fast that will make teams defend that 10 yards deeper for fear of it.

I know holes have been picked already, but you appear to have missed Rodriguez with 15 and Lallana with 9. Do they not sound English enough??

 

[richart]

I agree with that line up except that I don't see lallana? Pretty much every pundit has him nailed down. Sterling IMO will be a sub to use as defences tire. I'd also have Wilshere nowhere near the team.

As as long as sturridge is played centrally, I'll be happy. He has no interest playing wide and is a waste of space played out there.

I also would start with Lallana instead of Sterling, and definitely not Wilshere. He loses the ball too much, and we have to hold on to it more. I would like to see a defensive midfielder, to allow Gerrard to get forward more. Unfortunately we do not seem to have any. Scott Parker, Gareth Barry, getting on a bit, Phil Jones too reckless. We need another Nobby Stiles.

 

[Papas1982]

I also would start with Lallana instead of Sterling, and definitely not Wilshere. He loses the ball too much, and we have to hold on to it more. I would like to see a defensive midfielder, to allow Gerrard to get forward more. Unfortunately we do not seem to have any. Scott Parker, Gareth Barry, getting on a bit, Phil Jones too reckless. We need another Nobby Stiles.

the only English ball winner we really have of any note is jack cork. Unfortunately he hasn't been starting too regular for saints and doesn't grab headlines like our more flamboyant players. I think Gerrard will play quarterback this year. Wouldn't be at all surprised to see Henderson in the middle alongside Barkley. Think defence of Baines, Cahill, Jags and Johnson will pick itself. Then it will be rooney and sturridge up top. With lallana for me, but there are other options, sterling being main contender I suppose, although Wellbeck is liked (I wouldn't have him on the plane).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree with that line up except that I don't see lallana? Pretty much every pundit has him nailed down. Sterling IMO will be a sub to use as defences tire. I'd also have Wilshere nowhere near the team.

As as long as sturridge is played centrally, I'll be happy. He has no interest playing wide and is a waste of space played out there.

Pundits might have Lallana nailed down in the squad but i havent seen many have him in their starting line up - also Woy has had him Sub recently also.

Sterling gets the nod - his form is right up there with the best at the moment - his creativity his pace and also his work rate and defending is superb right now.

Wilshire is going to be a starter if fit.

 

[Papas1982]

Pundits might have Lallana nailed down in the squad but i havent seen many have him in their starting line up - also Woy has had him Sub recently also.

Sterling gets the nod - his form is right up there with the best at the moment - his creativity his pace and also his work rate and defending is superb right now.

Wilshire is going to be a starter if fit.

We must watch different shows I guess as most I've heard have been talking about who will lose there place to him Lallana. I'm not so sure Wilshere will start. His form has stagnated and I think that Roy likes the idea of combinations in the team. So Henderson and Gerrard would work. As to sterling a form, it's no better than what Lallana has been doing ALL season not six weeks. Lallana is a game changer. Rewatched Sturridge goal from last month for England and see who all the players congratulated. It was the bloke (Lallana) who set it up after Beaton players with a turn in the box. We have plenty of pace wingers. Lallana is our only player remotely continental in terms of touch and control with both feet even Wilshere is all left foot.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

We must watch different shows I guess as most I've heard have been talking about who will lose there place to him Lallana. I'm not so sure Wilshere will start. His form has stagnated and I think that Roy likes the idea of combinations in the team. So Henderson and Gerrard would work. As to sterling a form, it's no better than what Lallana has been doing ALL season not six weeks. Lallana is a game changer. Rewatched Sturridge goal from last month for England and see who all the players congratulated. It was the bloke (Lallana) who set it up after Beaton players with a turn in the box. We have plenty of pace wingers. Lallana is our only player remotely continental in terms of touch and control with both feet even Wilshere is all left foot.

Sterling is currently flying in a team going for the title - he key to that title fight for us - he hasnt just had 6 weeks of form

You use that sort of confidence and form to get the best from the players - Sterling pace will terrify full backs. if England dont start him then its to their detrement - the lad is one of the most exciting players England have produce ( alongside Barkley ) and its about time we just like Germany have done is put these guys straight into the mix - he will be fresh ( as he gets rested every couple of weeks ) and raring to go.

Lallana is a good player - good with both feet and is involved in a lot of Southamptons good work and has done well on his fleeting appearances for England - he is a tidy player who could become a very good player - think he will need to move on to do that. And getting congratulated for setting up a goal doesnt turn you into an international starter - Carlton Palmer was congratulated once also.

As you are a Saints fan you will go for Lallana just as i will go for Sterling.

If Wilshire isnt fit i would actually play Lallana behind the front 3 instead but for a wide player i would prefer Sterling to give that width on both sides and pace.

 

[Pin-seeker]

Sterling is a good player in decent form. He'll definitely go to Rio,not sure he'll be a starter tho. Certain parts of his game need improving.
Isn't this a Rooney thread

 

[Papas1982]

Sterling is currently flying in a team going for the title - he key to that title fight for us - he hasnt just had 6 weeks of form

You use that sort of confidence and form to get the best from the players - Sterling pace will terrify full backs. if England dont start him then its to their detrement - the lad is one of the most exciting players England have produce ( alongside Barkley ) and its about time we just like Germany have done is put these guys straight into the mix - he will be fresh ( as he gets rested every couple of weeks ) and raring to go.

Lallana is a good player - good with both feet and is involved in a lot of Southamptons good work and has done well on his fleeting appearances for England - he is a tidy player who could become a very good player - think he will need to move on to do that. And getting congratulated for setting up a goal doesnt turn you into an international starter - Carlton Palmer was congratulated once also.

As you are a Saints fan you will go for Lallana just as i will go for Sterling.

If Wilshire isnt fit i would actually play Lallana behind the front 3 instead but for a wide player i would prefer Sterling to give that width on both sides and pace.

I agree our team allegiance will alter out opinion. But I don't see sterling playing with anymore confidence just because Liverpool are higher in the league. Being in a better team doesn't mean your default the better player.
Walcotts pace was gonna terrify all defenders and how's his England career gone. I think if England put all their eggs in one basket (pace). We will be found out again. We need to be able to pace and move too. Out of curiosity, who would you have on the other wing of pace if you place sterling? Because if it's Rooney up top them sturridge out wide it's pointless. He needs to be central or on the bench as he doesn't perform out wide.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree our team allegiance will alter out opinion. But I don't see sterling playing with anymore confidence just because Liverpool are higher in the league. Being in a better team doesn't mean your default the better player.
Walcotts pace was gonna terrify all defenders and how's his England career gone. I think if England put all their eggs in one basket (pace). We will be found out again. We need to be able to pace and move too. Out of curiosity, who would you have on the other wing of pace if you place sterling? Because if it's Rooney up top them sturridge out wide it's pointless. He needs to be central or on the bench as he doesn't perform out wide.

Sterling isnt just about pace - his pace is a massive added bonus on top of his skill, workrate, closing down and creativity - he has the potential to be a real star.

He is key in a front three which move and adapt across the front line and part of the most potent forward line in the country currently.

You replace Suarez with Rooney and you have a great front three - they wont stay in their positions - they will interchange like they do at Liverpool - All three can play left , right and as the main striker - some much adaptability and flexibility in the front line. Sterling does that right now alongside Sturridge ( who doesnt just plough through the middle ) and Suarez - Rooney ( when on form - can also slot into the front three ( he did with Tevez and Ronaldo to great effect ).

Its not about putting the eggs in one basket - if anything its the total opposite and gives us a front three that could well be a massive weapon for England.

A front three with Sterling,Sturridge and Rooney could actually provide England for an attacking line up that could frighten defenders.

As for Walcott - his problem has been his injuries but Sterling isnt a Walcott clone.

 

[Papas1982]

Sterling isnt just about pace - his pace is a massive added bonus on top of his skill, workrate, closing down and creativity - he has the potential to be a real star.

He is key in a front three which move and adapt across the front line and part of the most potent forward line in the country currently.

You replace Suarez with Rooney and you have a great front three - they wont stay in their positions - they will interchange like they do at Liverpool - All three can play left , right and as the main striker - some much adaptability and flexibility in the front line. Sterling does that right now alongside Sturridge ( who doesnt just plough through the middle ) and Suarez - Rooney ( when on form - can also slot into the front three ( he did with Tevez and Ronaldo to great effect ).

Its not about putting the eggs in one basket - if anything its the total opposite and gives us a front three that could well be a massive weapon for England.

A front three with Sterling,Sturridge and Rooney could actually provide England for an attacking line up that could frighten defenders.

As for Walcott - his problem has been his injuries but Sterling isnt a Walcott clone.

your original point was that sterling a pace would frighten defenders to death. So whilst your points raised here are valid, the question still needed to be asked. I still think that sturridge considers himself a central player. He may drift wide. But if asked to start out wide it may not work. I hope to be proved wrong. I also think at intl the Liverpool/Newcastle approach won't be successful in Brazil. So hot and humid that ball retention will be key. I agree that that front three could be attractive, but if we don't score early then I think it'll be a struggle after 60 minutes of chasing the ball. We will find out soon enough, but I'll be surprised if we go that Atk minded.